Endwalker White Mage has Issues

[Liam_Harper]

And Ive started progging p4s and jesus lord is WHM bad for it. Imagine having to drop it because AST is so much better for that fight since WHM HAS to do multiple gcd heals so the party doesnt die in the first 3 minutes of the fight. How bad is that? I am not enjoying this. I dont know how to play AST well.

This is true. WHM is (predictably) the most popular healer even in Savage if you look at the overall statistics. It's literally twice as popular as AST on the first boss (which coincidentally barely needs any healing).

However, from p3 onwards it changes significantly with WHM being roughly on par with SCH and AST for usage. On p4s it falls behind SCH and on part II barely keeps up with AST. It's also the least represented in speed kills for all bosses. That might change later once gear makes the heal checks easier, but it seems when content actually requires serious healing, WHM is simply a bad class.

I'm not surprised at all. Not only does AST pack ridiculous amounts of oGCD's and free healing, those abilities are also much better than what WHM has. AST has access to 10% mitigation on half the cd that Temperance has, has Neutral for even more mitigation and Macrocosmos simply deletes mechanics. AST GCD's are also equal to WHM and cheaper on a class with infinite mana. All WHM has is Cure III and Bene memes.

[Ryme]

I think at this point despite whm's popularity its fairly obvious that whm is just not in a good spot atm. It just kind of needs everything, a bit more damage (and fixing it internal potency balance with misery), more healing (either through additional tools or improvements to is existing ones) and a lot more mp economy. It's hard to say what will be in 6.08 outside of what Yoshi-P mentioned specifically but he also made a general statement that no job would be neglected. Well sadly whm feels pretty neglected so far in EW so I guess we will just have to see if 6.08 puts the lie to that statement or not.

[LuciaMirain]

I think at this point despite whm's popularity its fairly obvious that whm is just not in a good spot atm. It just kind of needs everything, a bit more damage (and fixing it internal potency balance with misery), more healing (either through additional tools or improvements to is existing ones) and a lot more mp economy. It's hard to say what will be in 6.08 outside of what Yoshi-P mentioned specifically but he also made a general statement that no job would be neglected. Well sadly whm feels pretty neglected so far in EW so I guess we will just have to see if 6.08 puts the lie to that statement or not.

I dont think they will change anything with WHM. They have never really known what to do with healers to begin with and every expansion they keep showing that they still do not know. WHM is in a bad spot but it is viable in all content so why would they change it? Ive cleared the doorboss of last savage fight yesterday and WHM was absolutely fine and viable and we had a comfy clear. Once we are better geared it is back to spamming glare as per usual. They absolutely should change lots of things in WHM, as this and many other threads have shown, but I don't think they will. Maybe some small potencychange, anything else would require them to actually think how the healers are played in endgame.

[BiorAze]

I dont think they will change anything with WHM. They have never really known what to do with healers to begin with and every expansion they keep showing that they still do not know.

Well I think the issue boils down too that they primarly wanted to stray away from the classic healing archetype and instead make us support classes. This worked fairly well early on when we had more DPS-Spells and overall support abilities to pick up. But these days there's just so much support a healer can provide outside of healing, so all healers(Except AST and part SCH) mostly have damage reduction and/or +healing power.

Things i would like WHM to have are really hard to make right in this game if balance would be considered.
I would love to see WHM able to use Aeroga or perhaps even Tornado since wind spells have been a natural part of a WHM's arsenal since at least FF3. Other spells i would like to see are reflect, confuse and mini.

- Aeroga could simply be a AoE spell with higher potency then Holy, but Holy have It's stun mechanic, which would mean we have to chose or combo these spells properly to maximize our potential.
- Confuse could be a enemy damage reduction, which get upgraded to mini at higher levels. Mini would also make enemies take more damage.
- Reflect could be a buff you put on the tank that makes them reflect offensive spells for some seconds. Kinda nische given how incoming dmg works, but it would give WHM a unique tool in some fights. The pull between Vritra and 1st boss in Sarasvati comes to mind, pop reflect and all those fireballs would bounce back dealing dmg to the casters instead.
- Not to mention WHM would be a job which naturaly have silence.
- Another idea would be to let WHM have dispell, simply a AoE version of Esuna. But there's not really many removable debuffs going on in the later expansions to warrant it... perhaps that should change thou.

[Ryme]

It's hard to say what will be in 6.08 outside of what Yoshi-P mentioned specifically but he also made a general statement that no job would be neglected.

Yes, no job will be neglected, not one of them, nope, no job(s) are being neglected.

Jokes, the devs need to start out sourcing healer work because apparently they're just incapable of doing it.