Current EX trial completed without Healers

[EaMett]

Been the same every expansion tbh. They also said they weren't going to increase the healing requirements. So kinda hard for me to put my surprised Pikachu face on. Just same old.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Been the same every expansion tbh. They also said they weren't going to increase the healing requirements. So kinda hard for me to put my surprised Pikachu face on. Just same old.

They did say they were going to increase healing requirements though. Did you see my post?

We have been trying to make it so that healers are required to perform more heals. The content damage that you are receiving becomes a little more intense, so that healers are a bit more busy,” said Yoshida in the interview, via a live translator. “We are trying to make it so that healers are working a bit harder to do more heals in a battle encounter for sure, and that is kind of the trend that we are trending towards.”

[Aword3213]

They did say they were going to increase healing requirements though. Did you see my post?

We have been trying to make it so that healers are required to perform more heals. The content damage that you are receiving becomes a little more intense, so that healers are a bit more busy,” said Yoshida in the interview, via a live translator. “We are trying to make it so that healers are working a bit harder to do more heals in a battle encounter for sure, and that is kind of the trend that we are trending towards.”

And yet people keep spreading misinformation like that in many posts

I'm starting to think it's their intention to twist what the developer actually said to push their own agenda, especially those post asking for more dps options for healers.

[Sebazy]

And yet people keep spreading misinformation like that in many posts

I'm starting to think it's their intention to twist what the developer actually said to push their own agenda, especially those post asking for more dps options for healers.

If I'm not mistaken I think we got some pretty mixed messages on healing between the different community interviews Yoshida did for Endwalker no?

I remember one of the earlier ones being really quite disappointing (Mr Happy's?) whilst he opened up and actually gave some interesting answers in one of the later ones (Zepla?).

How accurate and true to the game said answers are are of course rather questionable. I can't fault what Yoshida's done for this game but it's been shown on several occasions over the years that he doesn't always correctly understand it's finer workings.

[Aword3213]

If I'm not mistaken I think we got some pretty mixed messages on healing between the different community interviews Yoshida did for Endwalker no?

I remember one of the earlier ones being really quite disappointing (Mr Happy's?) whilst he opened up and actually gave some interesting answers in one of the later ones (Zepla?).

How accurate and true to the game said answers are are of course rather questionable. I can't fault what Yoshida's done for this game but it's been shown on several occasions over the years that he doesn't always correctly understand it's finer workings.

I rewatched Mr.happy's interview (Q3:Glare Mage)and found no information regarding healing requirement. In fact, his question was specifically about dps tools for healers and the answer he got addressed said topic.

I understand the arguement that they failed to deliver the healing intensity we've been promised, but it's disheartnening to see people resort to twisting the statement from the developers just to make strong arguement.

No matter how true your reasonsing behind the disappointment in current healer, surely there're many other better evidence than quoting the statement which devs did not say?

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Then perhaps healing wasn't meant for you?

If healing was still the same in 2.0 as it is now (with some changes obviously) people who want to play healer, would be wanting to play them.

This is false, the same players would be complaining because the root of the problem is people just getting better and getting bored. Those dedicated players who reach the top will always be bored, and trying to make them happy is pointless, its best to appease the masses aka the non static try hard raiders and focus on the people who just want to play the game and clear. Case in point Ex1. Some people like myself choose not to learn Ex1 but follow the triangle, others want to learn the mechanics for themselves, so they can improve even if they can clear with a basic understanding of them by following the triangle.

Yeah, managing anything outside of 1 button spam and moving out of bad would literally just make my head explode too. Besides, what kind of RPG makes you manage your resources anyway? Would be literally unplayable, like the game was back in HW.

HW was extremely difficult and very unfun for a lot of people to play, hence why the game has not gone back in that direction. You are the minority face that.

Idk, 5 unavoidable aoes over the span of 10 minutes isn't particularly challenging, especially considering there is conveniently new + strong healer abilities that let you ignore those instances of unavoidable damage too. (hint: lilybell, panhaima, macrocosmos etc.)

The fights looked pretty at least.

That is a vast exaggeration, those skills all are very strong but they are not up every instance you would want them, and you must manage other spells etc WHILE staying alive and avoiding death AND dpsing. I think the try hard static raiders really should try to see things from people like me who ENJOY the "one button spam" and still enjoy doing raids/savage/alliance/extremes. Clearing and farming them is still fun even if you think the job is boring. To us its not boring its exciting and involves lots of movement, thought, and high emotions. I can put on some music rap/lofi/house etc during a fight and really vibe it out.

[Rolder50]

I rewatched Mr.happy's interview (Q3:Glare Mage)and found no information regarding healing requirement. In fact, his question was specifically about dps tools for healers and the answer he got addressed said topic.

I understand the arguement that they failed to deliver the healing intensity we've been promised, but it's disheartnening to see people resort to twisting the statement from the developers just to make strong arguement.

No matter how true your reasonsing behind the disappointment in current healer, surely there're many other better evidence than quoting the statement which devs did not say?

I'm just going to copy a post I made earlier since you seem to have missed it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAbCjPPS1RQ

Interview done in the Endwalker media tour. Healing question starts at 2:44 with reply at 4:25. Quote from yoshi-p, through his translator of course, "So with the fundamental thinking behind how we're adjusting healers, and this pertains to 5.x and beyond, we have been trying to make it so that healers are more - will require for them to perform more heals - so the content damage that you are receiving becomes a little more intense so that healers are a bit more busy."

Instead of making it "a little more intense" they seem have done, well, absolutely nothing at best and easier then it was already at worst.

[Rolder50]

Been the same every expansion tbh. They also said they weren't going to increase the healing requirements. So kinda hard for me to put my surprised Pikachu face on. Just same old.

Just going to post this here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAbCjPPS1RQ

Interview done in the Endwalker media tour. Healing question starts at 2:44 with reply at 4:25. Quote from yoshi-p, through his translator of course, "So with the fundamental thinking behind how we're adjusting healers, and this pertains to 5.x and beyond, we have been trying to make it so that healers are more - will require for them to perform more heals - so the content damage that you are receiving becomes a little more intense so that healers are a bit more busy."

There's more after that of course, but safe to say that was a bit of a lie hmm?

For example, looking at one of my EX2 Trial runs this weekend, we had a run that was a total mess, 8 deaths, people were drunk, etc. Looking at the healers, even in a terrible run, we had a WHM with 70%+ dps casts (Glare + Dia) and a Sage with 65% ish.

[Irenia]

Let's assume that he isn't lying when he says that they are trying to push healers healing. It then becomes clear that there are other design goals that are coming into conflict with that.

If I were going to ask questions, I'd start with asking how they resolve these conflicts, using these high skill healerless runs as a starting point.

[ty_taurus]

Let's assume that he isn't lying when he says that they are trying to push healers healing. It then becomes clear that there are other design goals that are coming into conflict with that.

If I were going to ask questions, I'd start with asking how they resolve these conflicts, using these high skill healerless runs as a starting point.

I don't think he's lying. What good would that do realistically? It's been said before that the combat design team is small and doesn't contain anyone that actively plays as a healer. There's just a severe lack of field knowledge about the role, and what happens is they make changes that sound good on paper without really testing them with the knowledge and experience of a healer main.