Endwalker's message (spoilers!)

[KizuyaKatogami]

But this is exactly my point. What Ilberd went through is what Lyse and Raubahn went through as well, and Gaius watched his adoptive kids die yes, but long after he switched sides and took up the Scions cause. The fact remains that the Scions, their message, their goals, were born from the real suffering they experienced and clearly resonated with others who struggled. The point I’m pushing back on is the idea that the Scions haven’t suffered enough to speak up.

I think they have, and even if they hadn’t they’d still be right to do so.

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Compared to most other protagonists and antagonists they really haven’t suffered. Gaius never really switched sides, he even says even though we’re helping him with the weapons it doesn’t change anything and we have the dialogue option to say that as well. Raubahn isn’t really a scion. Lyse though yes that would count. But nothing really compares to the ancients’ millennia of suffering and trying to compare the scions to them is very strange. They’ve had most things handed to them on a silver platter with minimal loss.

[Caurcas]

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Compared to most other protagonists and antagonists they really haven’t suffered. Gaius never really switched sides, he even says even though we’re helping him with the weapons it doesn’t change anything and we have the dialogue option to say that as well. Raubahn isn’t really a scion. Lyse though yes that would count. But nothing really compares to the ancients’ millennia of suffering and trying to compare the scions to them is very strange. They’ve had most things handed to them on a silver platter with minimal loss.

The ancients, specifically the unsundered, suffering was of their own making though. As with the defeat of Zodiark they were released from their tempering and their suffering.

[casper123]

Ok i must be weird. but the only time i cried was when Zeno arrived. and gave me the push at the end to defeat the dymas and the fight scene at the end . I know he is only after the fight but feel there might have been alittle more to that .

[Vahlnir]

I know he is only after the fight but feel there might have been alittle more to that .

Not really. He showed up in Sharlayan and was like "Hey guys, where's my WoL at? Oh? Space? Cool, guess I'm heading there then. Later!" The only reason he gave us a hand was because we weren't going to give him his rematch if we were dead.

[Silver-Strider]

Not really. He showed up in Sharlayan and was like "Hey guys, where's my WoL at? Oh? Space? Cool, guess I'm heading there then. Later!" The only reason he gave us a hand was because we weren't going to give him his rematch if we were dead.

Zenos was our most dedicated Simp. Took us to dinner, gave us a new perspective on life and crossed the entire universe just to get stepped on. If it wasn't so creepy, it would almost be admirable but Simps always gotta come off creepy.

[Vahlnir]

Took us to dinner, gave us a new perspective on life and crossed the entire universe.

If not for the context, this would sound almost wholesome. lol

[Lauront]

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Compared to most other protagonists and antagonists they really haven’t suffered. Gaius never really switched sides, he even says even though we’re helping him with the weapons it doesn’t change anything and we have the dialogue option to say that as well. Raubahn isn’t really a scion. Lyse though yes that would count. But nothing really compares to the ancients’ millennia of suffering and trying to compare the scions to them is very strange. They’ve had most things handed to them on a silver platter with minimal loss.

Not even just the ancients - multiple stars' worth.