Endwalker's message (spoilers!)

[KizuyaKatogami]

For the rest of the antagonists I would push back against the idea that they all suffered so dearly that comparisons between them and the Scions are insulting or laughable.

Many of them did suffer though, especially a whole lot of a hell more than the scions ever have since like….Heavensward lmao, idk what it would be “insulting.” Look at Ilberd for example. He watched his people reduced to being slaughtered and turned into slaves on a daily basis. Gaius who had to watch his kids all die one by one. That’s only the tip of the iceberg. In comparison the scions get off scot free time and time again. They’re immune to loss amongst themselves since they can even come back from the dead now, and for yshtola it’s happened 5-6 times. So yes it’s incredibly hard to sense that they’ve really lost much when the themes of the game don’t apply to them.

[EaraGrace]

Many of them did suffer though, especially a whole lot of a hell more than the scions ever have since like….Heavensward lmao, idk what it would be “insulting.” Look at Ilberd for example. He watched his people reduced to being slaughtered and turned into slaves on a daily basis. Gaius who had to watch his kids all die one by one. That’s only the tip of the iceberg. In comparison the scions get off scot free time and time again. They’re immune to loss amongst themselves since they can even come back from the dead now, and for yshtola it’s happened 5-6 times. So yes it’s incredibly hard to sense that they’ve really lost much when the themes of the game don’t apply to them.

But this is exactly my point. What Ilberd went through is what Lyse and Raubahn went through as well, and Gaius watched his adoptive kids die yes, but long after he switched sides and took up the Scions cause. The fact remains that the Scions, their message, their goals, were born from the real suffering they experienced and clearly resonated with others who struggled. The point I’m pushing back on is the idea that the Scions haven’t suffered enough to speak up.

I think they have, and even if they hadn’t they’d still be right to do so.