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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonwitch View Post
    Not understanding your point.. What did you expect her to do? Expose Hermes in front of Emet and Hythlodaeus who lost their memories ? Tell all of the ancients that Hermes created a monstrosity that is now far away in the galaxy?
    I think the ancients might've thought she lost her mind and needed to return to the earth then. EVEN back then dynamis(the emotional aether) was a concept they didn't know much about. They wouldn't have believed Meteion was brewing a storm far far away to end the world.
    So, take the whole game into consideration. This line of reasoning becomes very flimsy. Why? Because the Ancients have the Echo. They can control it at will. Sure, Hyth and Emet had their memories wiped, but if Venat presented herself and said, "Look into my memories, and the memories of the traveler." They would then see and feel exactly what we felt in Ktsis Hyperboreia. They would see and feel the WoL defending Hythlodaeus. They would see Meteion streaking off into the cosmos.

    This power that every Ancient possesses is conveniently sidelined in the most egregious way, since Venat makes use of it just a few quests earlier to see Hermes speaking to Meteion about launching her sisters off into the cosmos. They all possess this ability. To see and experience the memories of others through the environment and their living aether. We ourselves have inadvertently used it to resolve earlier plots in the game hundreds of times. Yet in this instance it had to be discarded so that the narrative could be obeyed, while the writers pray that we somehow don't notice it.

    It would have been easy to fix. Just have Venat lose her memory and create Hydaelyn completely of her own volition. OR just have her try it, only for something with the Memory Wiping spells impact how her memories are perceived as well, leading to reasonable doubt. They just had to nip this hole in the bud with one or two lines or one extra cutscene, and they did not. It is insulting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    This power that every Ancient possesses is conveniently sidelined in the most egregious way, since Venat makes use of it just a few quests earlier to see Hermes speaking to Meteion about launching her sisters off into the cosmos. They all possess this ability. To see and experience the memories of others through the environment and their living aether. We ourselves have inadvertently used it to resolve earlier plots in the game hundreds of times. Yet in this instance it had to be discarded so that the narrative could be obeyed, while the writers pray that we somehow don't notice it.
    She also said that aether memory in environment fades away with time but it never explain if it is fast process slow or just fades off randomly

    we dont know ether the full effect of kairos, we know it affects everyone in area its command to use but. dose it also affect the persons aether in environment we just don't know unless its was explained and i did just missed it.
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    Also after playing Pandæmonium quest line i dont think that
    every Ancient has the power to see the memory of the past.

    It could be that Venat did not want to change the course of history, Doing so could well unmake us, or make alternate timeline, list goes on or u can use Dr who line, fix point in time cant change that sorry

    Putting time travel in a story will always be a mess, A Lot of unknowns seeing there a lot of how time travel work versions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    So, take the whole game into consideration. This line of reasoning becomes very flimsy. Why? Because the Ancients have the Echo. They can control it at will. Sure, Hyth and Emet had their memories wiped, but if Venat presented herself and said, "Look into my memories, and the memories of the traveler." They would then see and feel exactly what we felt in Ktsis Hyperboreia. They would see and feel the WoL defending Hythlodaeus. They would see Meteion streaking off into the cosmos.

    This power that every Ancient possesses is conveniently sidelined in the most egregious way, since Venat makes use of it just a few quests earlier to see Hermes speaking to Meteion about launching her sisters off into the cosmos. They all possess this ability. To see and experience the memories of others through the environment and their living aether. We ourselves have inadvertently used it to resolve earlier plots in the game hundreds of times. Yet in this instance it had to be discarded so that the narrative could be obeyed, while the writers pray that we somehow don't notice it.

    It would have been easy to fix. Just have Venat lose her memory and create Hydaelyn completely of her own volition. OR just have her try it, only for something with the Memory Wiping spells impact how her memories are perceived as well, leading to reasonable doubt. They just had to nip this hole in the bud with one or two lines or one extra cutscene, and they did not. It is insulting.
    Oh yeah I definitely think she could’ve just said “look at my memories “ but she didn’t, and that’s how the world become sundered anyways. Idk, somebody dropped the ball a bit with the writing this expansion.

    It reminds me of lightning in ff13 when she becomes a god and goes through time. (Which, I think they had two different people writing that sequel lol)
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    Last edited by crimsonwitch; 12-23-2021 at 01:31 AM.