Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

[Ranhansha]

And let's not forget that Venat's actions also led to Meteion singing her song of oblivion for 10000 years leading countless worlds to their destruction.

How so? That was already in motion? And why are the Ancients all of a sudden this hyper perfect society? They are creepy af. Hermes' story is exactly about that. Their empathy is lacking and they only care about their race and their purpose.
But I guess people who wanted Venat to be evil before EW and did't get that will just try to find a different means to justify it. Arguably, you could find it since Elpis doesn't make sense at all. Venat, a former and respected member of the Convocation in a society where dialogue was highly respected and fostered knows everything about the Apocalypse that is going to destroy the whole world and she does nothing. It's not that she's evil, it's absurd writing. She became dumb all of a sudden.

[Yencat]

And why are the Ancients all of a sudden this hyper perfect society? They are creepy af. Hermes' story is exactly about that. Their empathy is lacking and they only care about their race and their purpose.

We'll have to see how it plays out when the raid series is over, but so far the whole concept of Pandaemonium also makes me wonder if it wasn't a matter of time before they wrecked themselves. Did no one think this was a bad idea? A prison full of extremely dangerous creatures they themselves created seems like an accident waiting to happen.

Ties back (or forward, I guess?) nicely to Allag and their rather extreme experiments I suppose, but it does kind of feel like maybe they were already flying a bit too close to the sun.

[HappyHubris]

How so? That was already in motion? And why are the Ancients all of a sudden this hyper perfect society? They are creepy af. Hermes' story is exactly about that. Their empathy is lacking and they only care about their race and their purpose.

Are you "creepy AF" or lacking empathy for consuming factory-farmed animal meat? That causes way more suffering and fear than reversing a few magic test creatures. Would you be upset if someone let an incoming meter wipe us out due to our animal farming?

That's essentially what you're advocating for.

[Ranhansha]

Did you not see the screenshots i posted? How was their empathy lacking. They literally cherished the life of even soulless creations. Not sure where you get that they only care about their race when they literally sacrificed people to bring back some of the dead creatures and people that were originally dead.

No, I didn't. Did you play the game? They literally told you what I said through Hermes. They didn't give a damn about the lives that didn't stick to their standards and that's what make Hermes break. That's why he goes to such lengths to try to save their lives, that's why you have Emet teach the Sanuwa how to fly.

Are you "creepy AF" or lacking empathy for consuming factory-farmed animal meat? That causes way more suffering and fear than reversing a few magic test creatures. Would you be upset if someone let an incoming meter wipe us out due to our animal farming?

That's essentially what you're advocating for.

Yeah? I'm certainly lacking more empathy than other people. That doesn't mean I would take a life as if it were nothing or a joyous thing. At least we kill them to get something in return and not because we have a God complex. Anyways, the comparison makes no sense because they were supposed to be a thousand times better than "us" imperfect beings. They were on a whole different level. And in spite of that, we have proved to be a lot more empathetic than them, especially when things go south and that can be seen in the same EW MSQ and when we do the role quests, when we try to save all kinds of people irregardless of their situation.

And no, I'm not advocating for anything, I'm just saying they weren't perfect and I don't understand why everyone thinks a society of psychopaths with a God complex was perfect. You are essentially advocating for racism and classism.