Why do "Standard Controls" players still need to face target but not "Legacy Control"

[Rayinfluense]

A lot of players are saying "Just switch to legacy", you'll get used to it. Well that's kind of my point.. The standard controls are just shitty in comparison but I know many people like myself, prefer standard controls. (One reason is that you can turn the camera while running in a straight line. On Legacy, you would have to hold S instead of W if you wanna run towards the camera for example, but on standard you can keep holding W while turning the camera.

And also, I don't see any reason to make standard controls shitty, if there's supposed to be some kind of "tradeoff". I know so many, especially new players who are confused why the standard controls are as bad as they are.

[Rayinfluense]

I dont quite understand what youre asking here.

you can select auto face target when using standard.

The main issue is that FF's frontal cone of where you are considered to be facing the target is not 180°. So when strafing around a target you will often not be able to execute actions unless you have auto facing turned on.

For those of us who are used to wow movement (which is what standard is supposed to mimic) - this causes MORE problems, because were used to the ability to constantly be able to hit a target in that 180° cone in front of you..
So moving around a boss, we will be attacking no matter what.

If youre using standard movement to run around a boss and youre not paying attention - you can easily start to move in directions you dont expect to, because youre auto facing the target when you attack.

its really weird. just use legacy. its odd at first but i 100% promise that if you turn it on and just play with it for a day you will never go back

Like you said, auto face target while on standard doesn't automatically point your character back the way you want it to be facing, you have to manually turn the character back the way you want.. Or the infamous "shake mouse while holding right click" workaround, which is kinda insane that we have to deal with.

[Rayinfluense]

A lot of players are saying "Just switch to legacy", you'll get used to it. Well that's kind of my point.. The standard controls are just shitty in comparison but I know many people like myself, prefer standard controls. (One reason is that you can turn the camera while running in a straight line. On Legacy, you would have to hold S instead of W if you wanna run towards the camera for example, but on standard you can keep holding W while turning the camera.

And also, I don't see any reason to make standard controls shitty, if there's supposed to be some kind of "tradeoff". I know so many, especially new players who are confused why the standard controls are as bad as they are.

It's actually kinda sad how most of you see a bad mechanic, agree that it's bad, and just tell people to ignore it and use something else and ask them to stop complaining about it being bad. If it turns people off from the game shouldn't it be considered a problem? Especially when it's the DEFAULT SETTING on Windows version.

[nelothi]

It's actually kinda sad how most of you see a bad mechanic, agree that it's bad, and just tell people to ignore it and use something else and ask them to stop complaining about it being bad. If it turns people off from the game shouldn't it be considered a problem? Especially when it's the DEFAULT SETTING on Windows version.

its only bad because you have to use auto face in FF.
for one reason or another (not sure why myself..) FF is designed around having an attack cone that is not 180° - they could change that.. but im not sure why they dont have that in the first place.
untill that gets addressed - use legacy. it feels way better.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So... Standard mode is "character control", which means whatever direction your character is facing is where the camera is facing. So if you run by an enemy and attack, your camera swings around and your character then goes in the direction it is now facing.

Legacy is "camera based", so character and camera are independent of each other. This is why they work the way they do

[Azuri]

The entire premise of your question is wrong though. You character has to be facing the target to execute actions. This is true for both Legacy and Standard. And auto-face setting does exactly what it says in both modes.

[BluexBird]

A lot of players are saying "Just switch to legacy", you'll get used to it. Well that's kind of my point.. The standard controls are just shitty in comparison but I know many people like myself, prefer standard controls. (One reason is that you can turn the camera while running in a straight line. On Legacy, you would have to hold S instead of W if you wanna run towards the camera for example, but on standard you can keep holding W while turning the camera.

And also, I don't see any reason to make standard controls shitty, if there's supposed to be some kind of "tradeoff". I know so many, especially new players who are confused why the standard controls are as bad as they are.

Uhm... hello? On Legacy, you don't HAVE to hold S instead of W if you wanna run towards the camera. You can just keep holding W and turn the camera. The S is there as an option in case you don't want to turn the camera...

Like I honestly don't get what your point is. On Standard, A and D turn the camera... but people just hold down the right mouse button to turn the camera anyway WHILE turning their character at the same time. Not only that, but holding the right mouse button turns A and D into strafe keys... WHICH HAPPENS BY DEFAULT IN LEGACY MODE!

EDIT: Actually, for those who play on Standard, during a fight you're mostly just holding down the right mouse button most of the time, because it's how you control the camera and turn your character when you're running.

So at the end of the day, functionally and practically speaking, the ONLY THING that changes when you change from Standard into Legacy mode, is that the S key now makes you run backwards towards the camera instead of slowly backing up. And I dunno about you, but I'm pretty sure the backwards run is A LOT more useful during fights where I'm trying to avoid a gaze mechanic and keep the boss in my screen.

[RobynDaBank]

Just a heads-up that you can do the Standard Mode backpedal in Legacy Controls by pressing D S and A at the same time. The backpedal is lame but sometimes, especially in Gaze mechanics, I prefer not to be turned back around fully. Not many situations it's handy in, off the top of my head I do it only in Bardam's Mettle.

But yeah, if you like the Standard Mode backpedal but want to play Legacy, well here's your solution.

[Rayinfluense]

Uhm... hello? On Legacy, you don't HAVE to hold S instead of W if you wanna run towards the camera. You can just keep holding W and turn the camera. The S is there as an option in case you don't want to turn the camera...

Like I honestly don't get what your point is. On Standard, A and D turn the camera... but people just hold down the right mouse button to turn the camera anyway WHILE turning their character at the same time. Not only that, but holding the right mouse button turns A and D into strafe keys... WHICH HAPPENS BY DEFAULT IN LEGACY MODE!

EDIT: Actually, for those who play on Standard, during a fight you're mostly just holding down the right mouse button most of the time, because it's how you control the camera and turn your character when you're running.

So at the end of the day, functionally and practically speaking, the ONLY THING that changes when you change from Standard into Legacy mode, is that the S key now makes you run backwards towards the camera instead of slowly backing up. And I dunno about you, but I'm pretty sure the backwards run is A LOT more useful during fights where I'm trying to avoid a gaze mechanic and keep the boss in my screen.

If this is true, I didn't know about it. When I select Legacy controls, hold W, and turn the camera, the character turns with the camera and will always run away form the camera, never towards unless I hold S. Is there a different keybind I'm supposed to be using?

[Rayinfluense]

The entire premise of your question is wrong though. You character has to be facing the target to execute actions. This is true for both Legacy and Standard. And auto-face setting does exactly what it says in both modes.

Not true? When on legacy mode, enabling auto face target makes it so you don't actually have to face your target. Attacking an enemy can be done while running a different direction. This is not the same as in standard mode where your character will face the target and run off towards it.