Thread: Please remake 1.0 in New Game+

Originally Posted by SilverObi

Aside from the people being purposely obtuse and/or vomiting up the word nightmare...

This is something entirely possible over the course of an expansion as a side project just like many additions through the years have been. They don't have recreate the scenes/animations/cinematography 1:1, just give ARR-style versions with the emotes and waist-up rotation-walking (since turning animations were uncommon then) and condense it into a maybe 2 hour (tops) greatest hits style of story beats that culminates in a solo trial against Nael on Rivenroad and then auto-plays the ARR intro that we know so well.

And they've a myriad of setpieces and zone sections that can be used to approximate the locations in 1.0 with the exception of some extremely notable spots near the end. And as for them taking all the lore that still suitably fits into ARR, that includes the 1.0 MSQ. Non of that is non-canon so it's not like they'd have to explain some weird story oddity that has been left behind or retconned, and the only real lore hiccup would be if you aren't a Legacy character that defeated Nael originally but did so in NG+ and they still refer to the WoLs as someone else instead of the wink and nod those subset of Legacy players got.

This is 100% exactly what I have been trying to convey. And I’m willing to bet, the more time goes after Endwalker, the more other people will be on board with this idea. If you’re a 1.0 player and didn’t reflect on everything that’s happened after clearing the story, you’d have to be asleep at the wheel or just not that invested to care. As soon as I was done with Endwalker I wanted to go back to the beginning (ARR? No I said the beginning, 1.0) Watching those scenes with what we know now, thing’s like Othard, Bozja we’re long since mentioned. Or the distinction between Hydaelyn’s role versus The Twelve, in that they had little to do with each-other but the people know so little about the Echo they just weren’t sure who blessed them with it. Plus like, How many times have we gotten side projects I don’t think anyone particularly even asked for but they went all out on [looking at you Performance and Hildebrand].

Originally Posted by SilverObi

And they've a myriad of setpieces and zone sections that can be used to approximate the locations in 1.0 with the exception of some extremely notable spots near the end. And as for them taking all the lore that still suitably fits into ARR, that includes the 1.0 MSQ. Non of that is non-canon so it's not like they'd have to explain some weird story oddity that has been left behind or retconned, and the only real lore hiccup would be if you aren't a Legacy character that defeated Nael originally but did so in NG+ and they still refer to the WoLs as someone else instead of the wink and nod those subset of Legacy players got.

I feel like it's worth pointing out that in 1.x, unless I am wildly misremembering things, the Echo literally let you travel through time into the past on two occasions. Not just perceive the past, but literally interact with things, and physically bring objects back to the present. While not explicitly retconned, it's sure been swept under the rug and ignored, and time-travel since then has been treated as a much more complicated prospect.

Originally Posted by Rannie

Eh it was confirmed by ferne that during 1.0 we did go to the past but we weren't doing a butterfly effect. It's how in the 30 alchemist quest we brought the elixir that we had made in the echo by someone to the kid that kept passing out and then the flower we got from the Gobbue in the Flowers for All intro for 1.0 Ul'dah..

Yeah, the (as I have called it before) "Very Unfortunate Goobbue Incident" in Ul'dah took place 10 years prior to 1.x starting, date-wise, but also functioned as the Ul'dah opening storyline; if I remember right, you looked up, saw a meteor shower, heard Hydaelyn speak and immediately went FLOOP back 10 years in time and didn't even initially realize you had jumped back in time, just sort of went "Oh hey, there's a parade going on?"

(I did start in Ul'dah in 1.x, but it's been, y'know, a decade, so I may be misremembering some of the details.)

While I don't think they've outright retconned (or contradicted) any of the weird stuff the Echo allowed in 1.x, they sure also haven't gone back to touch on it; they've kept the Echo to a much more narrowly-defined powerset in A Realm Reborn and onwards. And I do think if you had the 1.x storyline accessible in the current game somehow (impractical as I believe that to be), you'd have a lot of questions about the Echo arise. Especially for anyone whose 1.x re-enactment began in Ul'dah.

Originally Posted by SilverObi

That flavor even made it into ARR actually! If you remember the scene where we handed Cid his goggles which confused many a lore forum poster at the time and is still brought up from time to time.

You know, it's been so long since I played through that piece of story I had completely forgotten about that. But you're right, there is at least one instance of us doing this same sort of Echo-powered shenanigan even post-ARR.