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    Honor_Knees's Avatar
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    Starcaller Astraea
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    Can Sage and Scholar be good cohealers in savage content?

    Or is it necessary for there to be one traditional healer and one shield healer to not be sub optimal. And by necessary, I mean will most groups in party finder require it? I’m new to raiding with ff14, so I am unsure about how tight the healing requirements will be.

    I feel like I remember Yoshi-P saying the high end content was designed around having one of each. However, don’t Sage and Scholar just share their gcd shield (ocd shields aren’t over written).
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honor_Knees View Post
    I feel like I remember Yoshi-P saying the high end content was designed around having one of each.
    On the one hand, it's as you say here.

    On the other hand, sage + scholar is currently a top performing comp. (The top performing comp, if we exclude dupes)

    On the third hand, the currently available data isn't great. Savage tends to push jobs to their limits and expose weaknesses in synergies. So we won't truly know until savage drops. But it's at least a possibility sch+sge will remain good cohealers going into savage.
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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I suspect SCH/ SGE will be a very strong comp in savage.
    There is only one thing in their toolkit that conflicts with the other healer: GCD shields. That's the only thing that doesn't stack but both healers also have tools to work with that.
    A common setting in prog is that oGCDs are either on cooldown or need to be ready for the next raidwide and additional GCD healing is necessary: SCH can use ET Succor while SGE uses EProg. If more GCD healing than that is required, SGE can spam Prognosis and SCH Succor as necessary but this scenario will be fairly rare even in early tier prog.
    And for single target, SGE generally takes priority because they have a slight damage return on EDia breaking.

    SCH and SGE both have a lot of regens/ burst heal (Physis II, Kerachole, Pneuma, Ixo, Holos & Whispering Dawn, Sacred Soil, Fey Blessing, Indom) in addition to oGCD shields like Consolaton or Panhaima. Tank upkeep with both fairy and Kardia constantly auto healing in addition to oGCD single target heals is pretty high, so definitely no problem there either.

    And a huge benefit of this comp is the insane amount of mitigation.
    Kera and SS can be alternated for basically constant 10% mitigation in addition to Holos, Expedient and Fey Illumination.
    SGE GCD shields are both instant and while less valuable the better the group gets, this is valuable in prog as SGE can shield on the run.
    The combined potencies are high, combined mitigation is by far the highest of any healer comp and they also bring some other benefits like instant shields or displaced healing with the only downside being that they the lowest spammable GCD heal potency of all healer comps.
    Sounds like a good trade off to me.

    PF will probably enforce the rule of one shield and one regen healer as they did in ShB, although double regens was far more efficient. But that doesn't mean it's a bad comp. On the contrary, it will probably be really good but both healers need to know what they're doing to greater extend than more straightforward comps consisting of one healer per type. It was the same with double regens: it needed a bit more awareness but it was stronger.
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    you lock out access to either pepsis or deployment tactics, but there's a benefit in their solid range of snap options and high dps uptime due to that (even if it's braindead boring)
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    Grimoire Mogri
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralMask View Post
    you lock out access to either pepsis or deployment tactics, but there's a benefit in their solid range of snap options and high dps uptime due to that (even if it's braindead boring)
    Not really. In fact the differences between ET and Pepsis allow them to pair pretty well, as you can have the SCH burst heal whenever they want and ignore shield duty in prog unless deploy is needed, and that being the only friction point is easier in practice than it seems as that will be planned.
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    Dearche Claudia
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralMask View Post
    you lock out access to either pepsis or deployment tactics, but there's a benefit in their solid range of snap options and high dps uptime due to that (even if it's braindead boring)
    Pepsis is trash anyways on EPrognosis. You need to be extremely tight on GCD and lack any other oGCD for Pepsis to be useful, and that's only if someone's going to die within a span of one GCD due to a lack of 150 potency.
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    Eukrasian Diagnosis and Eukrasian Prognosis's magicked barrier cannot be stacked with scholar's Galvanize. Meaning you either lose the Scholar shield potency or the Sage shield potency. So if Sage casts after Scholar, then casts Pepsis for some unknown reason, then Pepsis will be useless (And vica versa for emergency tactics)

    Though, I am nowhere a pro in this topic as I have not done that much savage content, but in normal content it is just a "meh" moment. I don't really think that it is making it unpairable, it will just be adding a hardship for coordination.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Me and my static's co-healer are about to find out in a few weeks. They went past the honeymoon phase and truly falling in love with SGE. I'm sticking to both SCH and/or AST (preferably the former) and switching around depending on mood.

    Honestly, only their GCD shields will conflict. Everything else works just fine. But we'll see about it.
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    Tezu Silvin
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    SGE can be the mitigation healer and SCH focus on pure healing with emergency tactic succor when needed. The down side might be when heavy single target heal is needed because that's where SGE is lacking.
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    Liam Harper
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    Mitigation tends to be more important in Savage where the later bosses are more about hard hitting raidwides than frequent damage, so having 2 healers with lots mitigation each is a very nice advantage. Not to mention Sage and SCH both have an ample pure heal and HoT toolkit.

    The shield confliction doesn't matter. If both healers are GCD healing, you're playing wrong. Stick the SCH on Succor Duty if you ever need a GCD heal. There might be a case for going AST or WHM for very early prog, but otherwise SCH/SGE should be a very strong comp.

    Similarly, AST + WHM will be fine as usual too for most content. For example, any combination of healers can effortlessly heal EX without using GCD heals.
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