DNC needs a single target buff. T_T

[Sylaria]

No, y’all don’t need buffs your administer them, want a strong job go to melee

Yes let's all play nothing but reapers who also bring said damage buffs to the raid.

[Shurrikhan]

No, y’all don’t need buffs your administer them, want a strong job go to melee

I'm guessing this is sarcasm?

Nearly all Physical Ranged have poor rDPS at the moment, with DNC the worst among them until above the 95th percentile. They're certainly deserving of a 6.05 buff. Them and SMN, and to a lighter extent DRG and NIN.

[Jirah]

I'm guessing this is sarcasm?

Nearly all Physical Ranged have poor rDPS at the moment, with DNC the worst among them until above the 95th percentile. They're certainly deserving of a 6.05 buff. Them and SMN, and to a lighter extent DRG and NIN.

Kits with simple appeal should not exceed those that require more out of the player. Having ranged by on the same league as melee with free mobility would be a massive imbalance, more so for DNC more automatic nature. As I said, play Melee if you wanna be top DPS, and being that it’s savage-less meta it’s not so horrid to the point of HW or exclusions quite yet. Let’s wait until the savage raid maybe as all balances and numbers only really matter in that realm

[ForteNightshade]

Kits with simple appeal should not exceed those that require more out of the player. Having ranged by on the same league as melee with free mobility would be a massive imbalance, more so for DNC more automatic nature. As I said, play Melee if you wanna be top DPS, and being that it’s savage-less meta it’s not so horrid to the point of HW or exclusions quite yet. Let’s wait until the savage raid maybe as all balances and numbers only really matter in that realm

Forget the Melee. Dancer isn't keeping up within its own role. Which makes the job worthless since why bring what is essentially a weaker Bard? It's the same problem Summoner has in the Caster role. It's woefully inferior to Red Mage in every aspect save mobility. Ironically, Bard is actually tied with Ninja right now and Machinist is nearly beating Dragoon. So when you say "play a melee," you should actually say, "play Reaper".

With that all said. You can't balance around job difficulty because it's both entirely subjective and inherently flawed. Take my aforementioned Red Mage example. Despite Summoner being, arguably, the easiest job in the game now, if it doesn't suppress Red Mage in damage, it's completely worthless. It literally offers nothing both the other Casters don't do better. So that ease of play won't matter when people will lock it out in favor of Red Mage and Black Mage.

Waiting until after Savage releases is a terrible idea. It means jobs in serious need of buffs (or potential nerfs in Reaper's case) won't see them until April.

[Shurrikhan]

Kits with simple appeal should not exceed those that require more out of the player. Having ranged by on the same league as melee with free mobility would be a massive imbalance, more so for DNC more automatic nature. As I said, play Melee if you wanna be top DPS, and being that it’s savage-less meta it’s not so horrid to the point of HW or exclusions quite yet. Let’s wait until the savage raid maybe as all balances and numbers only really matter in that realm

I'm not saying necessarily equal, but that gap is huge. RDM, for instance, not only has significantly higher rDPS (faintly more than DRG so far), but also significantly more utility than any physical ranged, given that no one's going to die for lack of Tactician/Shield Samba alone but we'll soon be in Savage prog where instant rezzes come in plenty handy.

The RDM-BLM gap? Sure, we could reason that out, but the BRD-DNC or RDM-SMN (or even RDM-BRD) gap? No, that ought to be fixed.

[Rika007]

Kits with simple appeal should not exceed those that require more out of the player. Having ranged by on the same league as melee with free mobility would be a massive imbalance, more so for DNC more automatic nature. As I said, play Melee if you wanna be top DPS, and being that it’s savage-less meta it’s not so horrid to the point of HW or exclusions quite yet. Let’s wait until the savage raid maybe as all balances and numbers only really matter in that realm

Melee's requiring more out of the player is almost a falacy at this point. Every Melee have been given every tool needed to keep up time at the same level as a ranged dps. All of them have some level of gap closer or instant teleports on, their ranged attacks no longer break their combos, positionals have been nearly taken out of existence, and the few that remain are handled via the true north ability and bosses that don't even have positions to hit. Casters are all now as mobile as any ranged DPS, even black mage now can literally go 30 seconds straight in a fight without a single cast time and not lose a single ounce of DPS. None of them take any more ounce of skill then the 3 ranged physicals (except maybe ninja, and thats far more due to a scuffed rotation then it is anything else).

If you wanna sit here and say that 3 ranged physicals should sit a little bit below in the damage department (like by maybe a 100 or 200 less at max) sure. I cant agree with it but I can see the logic behind it. But this isn't 2.0 to 4.5 anymore. Since Shadowbringers released, the ease of uptime on melee and casters has become far too easy to justify that they should naturally just hit so much harder.

[Shurrikhan]

Melee's requiring more out of the player is almost a falacy at this point. Every Melee have been given every tool needed to keep up time at the same level as a ranged dps.

Tbf, there's an obvious difference between even having to use tools and my just pew pewing from wherever the hell I want on my Bard, Dancer, or Machinist.

If physical ranged still had the option of going caster-lite as per HW's designs, then they'd at least have some use for such tools rather than forgoing any such complexity altogether. If we still had the likes of Stormblood Machinist, there'd at least be enough rotational complexity to warrant high rDPS despite not needing to manage positioning nearly so much as melee or casters. But it's now likely the least cognitively demanding job in the game atop having perfect relative mobility. I don't think there should be any huge gap, or even a significant one until the 95th percentile or so (as ease, in its largely foolproofing a job, also makes for fewer mistakes), but I'll agree with Jirah the current ranged dps shouldn't be, in effect, getting the same throughput for less effort spent and fewer raid constraints created.

[Olinara]

I don't mind being lower personal DPS since one person in the group gets a buff and I have very high mobility. I haven't (and won't) parse it. If that's factored in, I'm okay with it.

I'll play it if it's fun, I'll play another job if it's not.

[Jilliebeans]

Dancer will more likely get a buff very soon, with a BRD doing as good if not BETTER buff than DNC then might as well take a BRD over a DNC lol

[CKNovel]

I'm guessing this is sarcasm?

Nearly all Physical Ranged have poor rDPS at the moment, with DNC the worst among them until above the 95th percentile. They're certainly deserving of a 6.05 buff. Them and SMN, and to a lighter extent DRG and NIN.