FFXIV Girls only discord server

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

Saying that ''that is not the same thing'' is not an argument. You could say the same thing about tons of horrendous practices. Let me give you an example: Enslaving black people is different from enslaving white people. Saying it's different means nothing, you are just saying it because you don't have an actual argument why discrimination against men is acceptable.


The point of me saying that it is sarcasm is that some people might misunderstand that what I am saying is my actual position rather than me making a point.

Nah, you're comparing an attempt to create a space where gamer girls, a minority in a male-dominated world, can do voice chat without the assembled male audience losing it and trying to be witty/original/desirable. XIV is somewhat of an exception to that, but it's still the same thing in many scenarios. There might be people among them who had to deal with sexism, discrimination, harassment and the like, and just want a place where they don't have to deal with all that crap.

This isn't the same as sexism at the workplace, or worse, racism. This is a chat for girls who want to be with other girls, and no guys.

Apples and oranges. Let's keep our feet on the ground.

[Xrystofer]

Nah, you're comparing an attempt to create a space where gamer girls, a minority in a male-dominated world, can do voice chat without the assembled male audience losing it and trying to be witty/original/desirable. XIV is somewhat of an exception to that, but it's still the same thing in many scenarios. There might be people among them who had to deal with sexism, discrimination, harassment and the like, and just want a place where they don't have to deal with all that crap.

They created a place away from sexism by being sexist. It totally makes sense if you think about it.

/Facepalm.

[Crasherino]

Nah, you're comparing an attempt to create a space where gamer girls, a minority in a male-dominated world,

Do you have some facts to prove this statement? pretty sure you're just pulling this thought out of your head, as last I actually read is that women aren't a minority in gaming anymore and it's not been that way for years, what you may be thinking of is that females don't tend to let them selves be known at random that they're a female (especially on games with comms) due to how an unfortunate set of males my act upon figuring that out, and the assumption is "male until proven female", now what may still be dominated is male games developers in where it's still not a nice split with male to female developers.

[Doozer]

I think a lot of people forget that in cases like this, where women try to ensure only "real women" are allowed in a certain space, they often end up attacking or excluding the wrong people. Like someone else said, voice verification is extremely inaccurate. I've met some cis women with some pretty husky voices. They would get called men by these "real women" and chased off. The same way they attack women with broad shoulders that they encounter in public bathrooms because they think they're trans women and therefore just men trying to sneak in there and peep at women.

I saw all that go down on Twitter when it happened, so it was a relief to see that they couldn't just come here and pretend all that didn't happen and rope in more innocent people, but it's also disappointing to see people encouraging it.

[MilkieTea]

I think a lot of people forget that in cases like this, where women try to ensure only "real women" are allowed in a certain space, they often end up attacking or excluding the wrong people. Like someone else said, voice verification is extremely inaccurate. I've met some cis women with some pretty husky voices. They would get called men by these "real women" and chased off. The same way they attack women with broad shoulders that they encounter in public bathrooms because they think they're trans women and therefore just men trying to sneak in there and peep at women.

I saw all that go down on Twitter when it happened, so it was a relief to see that they couldn't just come here and pretend all that didn't happen and rope in more innocent people, but it's also disappointing to see people encouraging it.

Yeah. It's just such a shoddy way to figure out who "the real (tm) women" are. It's extremely disrespectful, discouraging, and altogether disheartening to see such discriminatory actions from a group that claims to be a safe space.

[Tsumdere]

I think a lot of people forget that in cases like this, where women try to ensure only "real women" are allowed in a certain space, they often end up attacking or excluding the wrong people. Like someone else said, voice verification is extremely inaccurate. I've met some cis women with some pretty husky voices. They would get called men by these "real women" and chased off. The same way they attack women with broad shoulders that they encounter in public bathrooms because they think they're trans women and therefore just men trying to sneak in there and peep at women.

I saw all that go down on Twitter when it happened, so it was a relief to see that they couldn't just come here and pretend all that didn't happen and rope in more innocent people, but it's also disappointing to see people encouraging it.

There was an app recently that did just that. It had you send in a picture to confirm you were a woman and would reject born-females for "being male". If your nose was too big, voice too deep, makeup not on, skin too dark... Google "Giggle App" to see what I mean.

I would recommend that this Discord just do away with the confirmation process they have and deal with creeps as they arrive. Besides, if someone nasty wanted to get in - they would find a way regardless. Voice changers are getting better these days and its not hard to find a photo of a girl from Facebook and pretend to be her.

[MilkieTea]

There was an app recently that did just that. It had you send in a picture to confirm you were a woman and would reject born-females for "being male". If your nose was too big, voice too deep, makeup not on, skin too dark... Google "Giggle App" to see what I mean.

I would recommend that this Discord just do away with the confirmation process they have and deal with creeps as they arrive. Besides, if someone nasty wanted to get in - they would find a way regardless. Voice changers are getting better these days and its not hard to find a photo of a girl from Facebook and pretend to be her.

This is what I'd recommend too. A creep is a creep is a creep, just deal with them as reports come in, rather than trying to preempt by having some extremely crummy "verification process" that would leave a CRAP TON of women falling through the cracks and delegated to the male "supporter" role.

[Doozer]

There was an app recently that did just that. It had you send in a picture to confirm you were a woman and would reject born-females for "being male". If your nose was too big, voice too deep, makeup not on, skin too dark... Google "Giggle App" to see what I mean.

I would recommend that this Discord just do away with the confirmation process they have and deal with creeps as they arrive. Besides, if someone nasty wanted to get in - they would find a way regardless. Voice changers are getting better these days and its not hard to find a photo of a girl from Facebook and pretend to be her.

I feel like I heard about that but I can't remember. Sounds believably awful, though. Why do people think that there's any one way for a gender to look? Literally, even among cisgender people, there are so many different features and combinations of features that just can't be put into a box.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

It's a private discord. They can do what they want.

That being said...

1) You don't have to agree with it.
2) You don't have to agree with their practices, which to me at least are shady. Especially the streamer situation I read in those posts.
3) You don't have to join that community, be a part of it, or interact with it in any way.
4) It's entirely valid to critique or point out bad practices all around. Example, how they handled their streamers. The harassment of the minor inside the discord. Etc.

From what I can see, that discord is doing a good job all on its own for destroying itself. Seeing how they treated their streamers, harassment of a minor, and the weird way they go about things is just... concerning, but that's their problem to deal with.

If some girls want a "safe space" away from us guys, have a ball. Absolutely nothing wrong with that premise. The purpose of the discord shouldn't be the 'issue', but the actions that occur from it should be.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

They created a place away from sexism by being sexist. It totally makes sense if you think about it.

/Facepalm.

They didn't create a place away from sexism, they created one away from men. Away from guys who mistake any community comprising women as a dating market, and anyone with female sex organs as valid targets.

I'm a man, I can attest that most of us are cool with girls being fellow players, who have no interest in relationship and all that jazz, but there are still enough idiots who just won't get it.