FFXIV Girls only discord server

[Joint]

this seems like a disaster..

[Imora]

I can totally get behind the idea of a "safe space" for women but this is just weird. I've seen ladies only guilds in other games, so that type of thing isn't exactly new, but jesus.

Seriously creepy here.

[Merrigan]

I have another solution for that: create a discord where you select people mature enough that they don't care about the gender of the people they talk to.

It works, I promise.

[Bellsong]

Whew, those first couple of posts... Is J. K. Rowling the admin of this discord?

[Theodric]

Each to their own, I guess.

I don't attribute what the server is doing as some grave, unforgivable sin. If a group of women want to come together and create a space that works for them? Great.

It's little different to a group of players who are French, German or Russian creating a server specifically for French, German or Russian players.

Different groups of people have different needs and expecting every group to bend over and prioritise members outside of that group is arguably why there are so many problems in the world right now.

[Caladir]

Each to their own, I guess.

I don't attribute what the server is doing as some grave, unforgivable sin. If a group of women want to come together and create a space that works for them? Great.

It's little different to a group of players who are French, German or Russian creating a server specifically for French, German or Russian players.

Different groups of people have different needs and expecting every group to bend over and prioritise members outside of that group is arguably why there are so many problems in the world right now.

What the server is supposed to stand for is a great thing. You should have a look through the two links listed in comment #3 though.

[Lauront]

What the server is supposed to stand for is a great thing. You should have a look through the two links listed in comment #3 though.

[Merrigan]

Each to their own, I guess.

I don't attribute what the server is doing as some grave, unforgivable sin. If a group of women want to come together and create a space that works for them? Great.

It's little different to a group of players who are French, German or Russian creating a server specifically for French, German or Russian players.

Different groups of people have different needs and expecting every group to bend over and prioritise members outside of that group is arguably why there are so many problems in the world right now.

Having been in one of these "women only" groups once: the problem is not wanting to meet in small groups.

The problem is that your every action becomes monitored. Judged. The general atmosphere is more like a cult than anything else. You have to constantly control the way you express yourself, and that inevitably ends up affecting the way you perceive the world.

An indoctrination, no more and no less, which is exercised as soon as a group closes itself to diversity. And in the end, the discrimination becomes even more present.

To give an example: asking for a voice is something that has always made me react on MMORPGs. I don't find it a particularly sexist environment, actually. But one of the things that is still recurrent for a lot of players is asking for a voice to check if you have boobs. I don't think that's fair - think of me as a 200 pound bearded guy if you want, but don't kick me out of the group because I wouldn't talk to you.

So why on earth should these habits, which are perceived by many women as undesirable leftovers IG, be in so-called "inclusive" groups?

[Averax]

Having been in one of these "women only" groups once: the problem is not wanting to meet in small groups.

The problem is that your every action becomes monitored. Judged. The general atmosphere is more like a cult than anything else. You have to constantly control the way you express yourself, and that inevitably ends up affecting the way you perceive the world.

An indoctrination, no more and no less, which is exercised as soon as a group closes itself to diversity. And in the end, the discrimination becomes even more present.

To give an example: asking for a voice is something that has always made me react on MMORPGs. I don't find it a particularly sexist environment, actually. But one of the things that is still recurrent for a lot of players is asking for a voice to check if you have boobs. I don't think that's fair - think of me as a 200 pound bearded guy if you want, but don't kick me out of the group because I wouldn't talk to you.

So why on earth should these habits, which are perceived by many women as undesirable leftovers IG, be in so-called "inclusive" groups?

I find that most online "safe spaces" for a singular demographic usually end up toxic as hell to anybody who does not join the hive mind, or anybody who is just different from them in anyway. It becomes less about community and more about control. People use the word "inclusive" all the time, but i don't think they know what it means.

[Theodric]

I find that most online "safe spaces" for a singular demographic usually end up toxic as hell to anybody who does not join the hive mind, or anybody who is just different from them in anyway. It becomes less about community and more about control. People use the word "inclusive" all the time, but i don't think they know what it means.

On the other hand, any community that doesn't close itself off to at least some extent ends up being at risk of being hijacked by troublemakers who seek to threaten and coerce others into conforming to their world view instead of opting to simply agree to disagree.

Quite a lot of people forget that this is a game with a global audience and that not everybody is interested in being dragged into a state of existence where anything and everything is a potential 'issue' to be addressed.

It's a balancing act, I suppose - but having seen many FFXIV focused Discord servers cave in to increasingly bizarre demands I can at least appreciate those who are upfront about their intentions.