FFXIV Girls only discord server

[Theox]

As an aside, a not insignificant amount of people simply want to be left alone to do their own thing. I don't think everybody necessarily needs to be invited to join absolutely everything in existence - because such an approach prevents quite a lot of people from getting support that is custom tailored to what they desire.

If a group of women on the internet want to hide away in their own little Discord server then I think that's perfectly acceptable. I see advertisements for women only groups quite often - for coffee mornings and the like.

I know women who have been horribly abused and as part of their recovery, they needed to retreat into their own little support bubbles until they built up the confidence to interact with the wider world once more.

It's an approach that isn't going to work for everybody, though it works for some people and the last thing survivors of abuse need is to be burdened with problems that simply do not concern them.

If that would've been so easy for people to understand we wouldn't have this long of a thread. Many people said that here before but some people just can't let it go without their unwanted counsel and opinion policising

[kaynide]

Yeah hard pass.

The gender problems are a big ball of issues in of themselves, but trying to put their hands in other people’s profits is nonesense.

OP if you truly believe in this cause, it should be entirely voluntary on all parties. If streamers are making money it’s none of your business unless you provide services the steamer actively wants to pay you for. Shame on you for taking by advantage of others.

[Shuuli]

As a girl, this somehow feels so strange to me.
Perhaps its because I had bad experiences with both guys and girls on the internet. Probably cause I played other more pvp based games on semi competitive level. I also had workplaces where girls pretend to be your friends then backstab you. (I worked at a Big Four and boi oh boi...)

Again, not saying only girls, boys had their own ways. And not all of them. There are always kind people, but they don't make it in these kind of environments. They just fall out and go do something else that is more safe for their mental health.

However, if there is a group of girls who want to do this, then why not?

[Nekaru_Infitima]

Here's an interesting question to ponder.

Say there is a ginger-haired group and blonde-haired group. As we all know both get made fun of but in different ways, different experiences they had to deal with.

Now you have Subject-A who is blonde naturally and had to deal with blonde jokes. Subject-B natural ginger, had to deal with ginger jokes.

A dyes their hair ginger, B dyes their hair blonde. They both try to join the opposite group.

Are they to suddenly be accepted now that they fit in? Do they suddenly know the hardships of dealing with the type of teasing they got?

Now apply it to girls-only and boys-only.

[Nethereal]

Here's an interesting question to ponder.

Say there is a ginger-haired group and blonde-haired group. As we all know both get made fun of but in different ways, different experiences they had to deal with.

Now you have Subject-A who is blonde naturally and had to deal with blonde jokes. Subject-B natural ginger, had to deal with ginger jokes.

A dyes their hair ginger, B dyes their hair blonde. They both try to join the opposite group.

Are they to suddenly be accepted now that they fit in? Do they suddenly know the hardships of dealing with the type of teasing they got?

Now apply it to girls-only and boys-only.

Imo in this particular situation the girls need to set up their own group.
However if the group didn't know they weren't natural then it is none of their business as long as they have similar experiences and aren't dismissive.
Because largely being made of of because your hair is blonde or ginger is still you getting your hair made fun of.
It would make more sense in the analogy if one girl was getting made fun of because of her hair and the other girl was getting made fun of because of her nails.
But that still falls under you being made fun of because of your body.

So really it just comes down to how your group to discriminate who is allowed in. Personal preference.

I think the direct real life example of this would be people who present as male can be in the boy scouts and vice versa but having people who present as girls in the boyscouts or who present as boys in the girlscouts isn't the same.
Then there's also the discussion of distinction where in does this line stop because there are biological differences that can't be changed, so can feminine presenting but biologically male people be allowed in the female bathrooms or be allowed to participate in female sports, or be allowed in females prisons.

I think it's a very convoluted issue where in no solution/fix should be put in place without taking it to its natural conclusion first. Until then things like unisex bathrooms, groups, and sports are the way to go for this particular issue.
Transgressing on something already in place instead of making your own is not the way.

[Nekaru_Infitima]

Imo in this particular situation the girls need to set up their own group.
However if the group didn't know they weren't natural then it is none of their business as long as they have similar experiences and aren't dismissive.
Because largely being made of of because your hair is blonde or ginger is still you getting your hair made fun of.
It would make more sense in the analogy if one girl was getting made fun of because of her hair and the other girl was getting made fun of because of her nails.

I love how you defaulted it in to girls even though I just said subject.

It shows we have assumed 'gender' for things simply as being teased for hair.

Assumptions you can't just take out of peoples minds.

But yes, your answer was correct, make their own group. That's when we get people that NEED to be in everything though or it's suddenly discrimination and they're going to start a mob because you didn't want to include them.

[Nethereal]

I love how you defaulted it in to girls even though I just said subject.

It shows we have assumed 'gender' for things simply as being teased for hair.

Assumptions you can't just take out of peoples minds.

But yes, your answer was correct, make their own group. That's when we get people that NEED to be in everything though or it's suddenly discrimination and they're going to start a mob because you didn't want to include them.

Yeah I would always assume people being made fun of for their hair are girls, boys & girls don't make fun of other boys hair unless they're balding, they make fun of girls hair.

[Rolder50]

Yeah I would always assume people being made fun of for their hair are girls, boys & girls don't make fun of other boys hair unless they're balding, they make fun of girls hair.

Plenty of guys get made fun of for things like male pattern baldness or facial hair that doesn't look good.

[VforVendetta]

I identify as the one true warrior of light. I will report anyone who disagrees and they will be banned.

[VforVendetta]

I identify as brad pitt, so everyone around me has to introduce me as the sexiest man of the year. Also, I want alimony from Angelina.