Balance between SGE and SCH

[rewd]

My point its: Why would you get a SCH instead of a SGE? SGE has better dps and has better healing. Biggers shields on demand? By design SE would never make the difference in shields obligatory as it would lock sch as the shield healer, same with the party sprint. From a pure potency perspective there is no reason to ever bring a sch over sge. At least with WHM vs AST, there are situations where cure 3 can shine and you say, well WHM could make a difference here (same with living dead)

You are using a very flawed logic. Why could Cure III make a difference but not bigger shields or Expedient? Cure III is not even that special anymore, especially when we also consider the limited range and WHM's MP economy.

Why bring RDM if BLM simply does more damage? Content is not required to have Magick Barrier, so it makes no sense to ever bring a RDM. Why use WAR if DRK deals more damage? Content is not balanced around Shake it Off, so there is no reason to bring a WAR. I could go on.

Some jobs shine more during prog, other jobs are better suited for kills/speed kills. There is nothing wrong with this as long as every job is more than capable to hold their own in every environment.

SCH has Expedient, bigger shields, remote healing and a kit than handles emergencies better than SGE's does, which makes it the better "prog healer". Even the point about SGE having more heals is moot, as Energy Drain (and DPS in general) doesn't really matter, which means that SCH has just as much healing as Sage, if not even more. However, this doesn't really matter much because SGE is more than capable to be a prog healer. SGE currently does more damage (although we know Chain Stratagem will get better), but again, this doesn't mean much when SCH's DPS is more than enough to obtain a kill without forcing a perfect play from your party.

The balance between WHM and AST is in a much more dangerous situation.

[Sighearth]

You are using a very flawed logic. Why could Cure III make a difference but not bigger shields or Expedient? Cure III is not even that special anymore, especially when we also consider the limited range and WHM's MP economy.

Why bring RDM if BLM simply does more damage? Content is not required to have Magick Barrier, so it makes no sense to ever bring a RDM. Why use WAR if DRK deals more damage? Content is not balanced around Shake it Off, so there is no reason to bring a WAR. I could go on.

Some jobs shine more during prog, other jobs are better suited for kills/speed kills. There is nothing wrong with this as long as every job is more than capable to hold their own in every environment.

SCH has Expedient, bigger shields, remote healing and a kit than handles emergencies better than SGE's does, which makes it the better "prog healer". Even the point about SGE having more heals is moot, as Energy Drain (and DPS in general) doesn't really matter, which means that SCH has just as much healing as Sage, if not even more. However, this doesn't really matter much because SGE is more than capable to be a prog healer. SGE currently does more damage (although we know Chain Stratagem will get better), but again, this doesn't mean much when SCH's DPS is more than enough to obtain a kill without forcing a perfect play from your party.

The balance between WHM and AST is in a much more dangerous situation.

Its not a flawed logic. Cure 3 is a gcd heal, all healers have gcd heals. You can have an ast spamming helios for the same effect with less efficiency. If bigger shields (shield values that other healer have no access) were mandatory, obviously that would lock sch spot which will never happen. Same with expedience, as only sch has access. its not like other healers have a worse/different version of it.

Why bring other other jobs if someone is always the numerical superior? Because if this numerical difference is small enough than its no biggie, thats why

[rewd]

Its not a flawed logic. Cure 3 is a gcd heal, all healers have gcd heals. You can have an ast spamming helios for the same effect with less efficiency. If bigger shields (shield values that other healer have no access) were mandatory, obviously that would lock sch spot which will never happen. Same with expedience, as only sch has access. its not like other healers have a worse/different version of it.

Why bring other other jobs if someone is always the numerical superior? Because if this numerical difference is small enough than its no biggie, thats why

Not every GCD heal is the same.
Helios: 400 healing potency, 15y radius, 700 MP (on the healer with infinite MP), costs 250 damage potency
Cure III: 600 healing potency, 6y radius, 1500 MP (on the healer with the worst MP economy), costs 310 damage potency.

None of this screams "more efficient" at all.

Yours is indeed a flawed logic. Bigger shields and Expedient are very strong exactly because they are not mandatory. As such, they are an advantage and not a requirement. Why do you think Divine Veil, Shake it off or Passage of Arms are strong skills? Becausethey are not mandatory (nothing is anyway) and represent a clear advantage that give you an easier time in prog/in some strats.

Unless a job is hilariously undertuned (like PLD and DNC at the moment), it doesn't matter. SCH and SGE have both their pros and cons (and they could even be used together to great results, making your point even worse). If and when Chain Stratagem gives SCH higher rDPS, will you be asking for SGE buffs because there is no reason to use it?

[Liam_Harper]

At least with WHM vs AST, there are situations where cure 3 can shine and you say, well WHM could make a difference here (same with living dead)

Cure III is absolutely rubbish now. You'd never bring a WHM over an AST for Cure III. The only reason people bring WHM over AST is gameplay. AST is a pain to play with all the useless new oGCD's to juggle and WHM is straightforward. It's a badly designed, weak healer, but it's still more fun.

Unfortunately the same applies to SCH. As long as SCH has a clunky fairy to micromanage and pays tax for Aether heals while Sage has no gimmick and fires oGCD's out for free, it'll be more popular. Potency buffs won't change much. SCH already has a solid toolkit, it's just clunky to play and players don't enjoy that.

[Sighearth]

Cure III is absolutely rubbish now. You'd never bring a WHM over an AST for Cure III. The only reason people bring WHM over AST is gameplay. AST is a pain to play with all the useless new oGCD's to juggle and WHM is straightforward. It's a badly designed, weak healer, but it's still more fun.

Unfortunately the same applies to SCH. As long as SCH has a clunky fairy to micromanage and pays tax for Aether heals while Sage has no gimmick and fires oGCD's out for free, it'll be more popular. Potency buffs won't change much. SCH already has a solid toolkit, it's just clunky to play and players don't enjoy that.

that was just an example, WHM still has more on demand GCD pure heal than AST which is a niche that may be used in a fight

[Liam_Harper]

that was just an example, WHM still has more on demand GCD pure heal than AST which is a niche that may be used in a fight

WHM literally only has Cure III over AST and there is no niche for Cure III. There is nowhere you need to spam it. There wasn't in ShB either and now we have buffed heals and abilities specifically designed to handle back to back raid damage. Cure III doesn't even beat Plenary + Lily. That's assuming your party is neatly stacked for you, in Duty Finder you might as well take it off your bar because 9 times out of 10 everyone is scattered.

AST has tons of burst heal with Star, Macrocosmos, Neutral Sect, CoOpp, CU, Horoscope Helios and AspHelios (which is now 1000 total potency). That niche situation once a fight on Savage where multiple Cure III might seem like it's useful, an AST can heal three times over.

[KDSilver]

Unfortunately the same applies to SCH. As long as SCH has a clunky fairy to micromanage and pays tax for Aether heals while Sage has no gimmick and fires oGCD's out for free, it'll be more popular. Potency buffs won't change much. SCH already has a solid toolkit, it's just clunky to play and players don't enjoy that.

I think it's okay for SCH to still have decision making for AF usage.
Especially now that weaving is better.

[Deceptus]

I just want something to do with the Fairy Gauge other than Fey Union because it seems like I'm hardly ever using it.

A nice beefly aoe perhaps? With Bane gone from SMN we could get that but with a direct hit instead of spreading dots.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

I just want something to do with the Fairy Gauge other than Fey Union because it seems like I'm hardly ever using it.

PvP Scholar's got what you want.

[YusiKha]

I'd like to see aetherflow heals grant a free usage of Energy Drain just so Scholar isn't penalised 100p for needing to heal as a healer.
It'd make it nicer to play alongside WHM too, since both jobs have heals that they want to avoid (Misery doesn't refund all the damage sacrified from Solace/Rapture)