Balance between SGE and SCH

[Sighearth]

So now that SGE is out and having played with it quite a bit in max level its quite apparent that SGE healing toolkit is too strong. It has way too much free oGCD heals. Its basically a SCH in the release of ShB (when we had no Energy Drain). By no means I think SGE should be nerfed. I think SCH need a slight potency adjust to be able to compete with SGE for a spot. Given that SGE does more DPS than SCH (including chain) and also heals a lot more. I don't think removing ED from SCH would do any good, specially because ED optimization is fun and one of the little optimizations healers still have. As the fairy cds are actually free now ( not costing a weave slot or a ruin2 ) the way to go is to buff fairy skill.

1) Whispering Dawn adjusted from 560 potency to 660 potency. At least 100 extra potency/ min

2) Fey illumination damage reduction from 5% to 10% and from magic damage to any damage. This would make it in line with SGE's holos (both are 2 mins)

3) Fey blessing adjusted from 320 to 450 ( so a party wide physick on a 1 minute cd)

4) Sacred Soil adjusted to no longer require aetherflow. As kerachole is massively better than soil, with soil only having +100 potency in healing, its unfair how SGE can have 50% uptime on kera for free while sch have to lose dps to do a slightly worse version

With those changes I believe SCH can compete equally for the shield healer spot in any party.

[xKnave]

either fairies or laser turrets.. both works.. matters of preference uwu

[RinaShinomiya]

With those changes I believe SCH can compete equally for the shield healer spot in any party.

I don't think SCH need buffs like that it's just clunky is all. It's still a very powerful shield healer that can do insane Shields on demand, having a force Crit button on top of Deployment Tacticts is nutty and thanks to ENW's fixing the shield delay you can now even weave Deplo right after Crit Adlo making it super satisfying to perform. Sage can't do that. Sage also has no Excog or a Thrill of battle err i mean Protraction, which is another great heal, heal buff and damage mitigation tool. As far as i'm concerned both Jobs are equally strong, sage just plays better imo.

i'm pretty sure if ED got removed the Potency would flow over to Broil and Biolosys. So that would already fix your issue with sacred soil (or any Aetherflow abilities for that matter) being a DPS loss. Sacred Soil and kerachole are pretty much identical in what they do just a different execution so i don't really see the point of buffing it. In fact most Addersgall and Aetherflow abilities are identical minus the damage mitigation part.

Pretty sure Fey illumination isn't meant as a Damage Mitigation tool like Holos but rather a healing buff so you can erect bigger shields. The 5% magic damage mitigation is just a bonus. It's more comparable to Physis 2 which seems to me like Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination combined into 1 button (which might be good or bad depending on who you ask). Holos is more comparable to Fey Blessing which has the exact same potency as Holos if you take Pet potency scaling into account.

I don't see what the fey blessing buff would achieve since you already have Indom as a AoE 30s CD Physick.

[Brandedblade]

So now that SGE is out and having played with it quite a bit in max level its quite apparent that SGE healing toolkit is too strong. It has way too much free oGCD heals. Its basically a SCH in the release of ShB (when we had no Energy Drain). By no means I think SGE should be nerfed. I think SCH need a slight potency adjust to be able to compete with SGE for a spot. Given that SGE does more DPS than SCH (including chain) and also heals a lot more. I don't think removing ED from SCH would do any good, specially because ED optimization is fun and one of the little optimizations healers still have. As the fairy cds are actually free now ( not costing a weave slot or a ruin2 ) the way to go is to buff fairy skill.

1) Whispering Dawn adjusted from 560 potency to 660 potency. At least 100 extra potency/ min

2) Fey illumination damage reduction from 5% to 10% and from magic damage to any damage. This would make it in line with SGE's holos (both are 2 mins)

3) Fey blessing adjusted from 320 to 450 ( so a party wide physick on a 1 minute cd)

4) Sacred Soil adjusted to no longer require aetherflow. As kerachole is massively better than soil, with soil only having +100 potency in healing, its unfair how SGE can have 50% uptime on kera for free while sch have to lose dps to do a slightly worse version

With those changes I believe SCH can compete equally for the shield healer spot in any party.

The sole thing I can think of besides minor potency tweaks would be to reduce the cast time of Adloquium (and Succor, but only adlo if we only get one) to 1.5 seconds. The biggest difference i feel between playing scholar and sage is the fact that Sage shields FEEL more snappier and reactive to throw out. And that is primarily because of the fact Eukrasia serves as a "psuedo-cast time" where it is still technically a cast time of Eukrasia's GCD to cast the shield, but you can at the very least move during said "cast time". While this wouldn't solve the fact SCH would still need to sit and cast to use their shields, this would at least give a similar amount of reactiveness, and would allow you to instantly use deployment tactics at the end of the cast without it clipping the gcd.

[KDSilver]

Broil IV :

295 (what's this weird potency ?) => 300

Dissipation :

20% healing spell boost => 10% healing action boost

Fey Illumination :

10% healing spell boost => 5%/10% healing action boost.

That's the least I'm asking for.

[rewd]

SCH can already compete with SGE, it doesn't need buffs even though I certainly wouldn't be against them.

[Sighearth]

My point its: Why would you get a SCH instead of a SGE? SGE has better dps and has better healing. Biggers shields on demand? By design SE would never make the difference in shields obligatory as it would lock sch as the shield healer, same with the party sprint. From a pure potency perspective there is no reason to ever bring a sch over sge. At least with WHM vs AST, there are situations where cure 3 can shine and you say, well WHM could make a difference here (same with living dead)

[Deceptus]

I just want something to do with the Fairy Gauge other than Fey Union because it seems like I'm hardly ever using it.

A nice beefly aoe perhaps? With Bane gone from SMN we could get that but with a direct hit instead of spreading dots.

[RinaShinomiya]

My point its: Why would you get a SCH instead of a SGE? SGE has better dps and has better healing. Biggers shields on demand? By design SE would never make the difference in shields obligatory as it would lock sch as the shield healer, same with the party sprint. From a pure potency perspective there is no reason to ever bring a sch over sge. At least with WHM vs AST, there are situations where cure 3 can shine and you say, well WHM could make a difference here (same with living dead)

Having your party ignore a Mechanic because of a big shield is very valuable. Also the chain stratagem is a very desirable Raid buff. Esp in later patches when Crit materia become more valueable due to how it scales.

[rewd]

My point its: Why would you get a SCH instead of a SGE? SGE has better dps and has better healing. Biggers shields on demand? By design SE would never make the difference in shields obligatory as it would lock sch as the shield healer, same with the party sprint. From a pure potency perspective there is no reason to ever bring a sch over sge. At least with WHM vs AST, there are situations where cure 3 can shine and you say, well WHM could make a difference here (same with living dead)

You are using a very flawed logic. Why could Cure III make a difference but not bigger shields or Expedient? Cure III is not even that special anymore, especially when we also consider the limited range and WHM's MP economy.

Why bring RDM if BLM simply does more damage? Content is not required to have Magick Barrier, so it makes no sense to ever bring a RDM. Why use WAR if DRK deals more damage? Content is not balanced around Shake it Off, so there is no reason to bring a WAR. I could go on.

Some jobs shine more during prog, other jobs are better suited for kills/speed kills. There is nothing wrong with this as long as every job is more than capable to hold their own in every environment.

SCH has Expedient, bigger shields, remote healing and a kit than handles emergencies better than SGE's does, which makes it the better "prog healer". Even the point about SGE having more heals is moot, as Energy Drain (and DPS in general) doesn't really matter, which means that SCH has just as much healing as Sage, if not even more. However, this doesn't really matter much because SGE is more than capable to be a prog healer. SGE currently does more damage (although we know Chain Stratagem will get better), but again, this doesn't mean much when SCH's DPS is more than enough to obtain a kill without forcing a perfect play from your party.

The balance between WHM and AST is in a much more dangerous situation.