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    Quote Originally Posted by syntaxlies View Post
    Well at least there are some new recipes so I can finish off my black smith finally, oh wait, high difficultly...oh well, at least there's some awesome new gear for my bard, oh wait, class only...well since reaching phase 2 in the only hamlet we have was such a breeze it's prob a good idea to add 2 more, oh what, we didn't reach phase 2 .......
    Gungnir reached it the first time but the fact that the supplies reset to 0 after every battle most likely turned a lot of people off to Hamlet including myself XD. With how short the battles are and how long the battle phase is, it just isn't worth the time to prep for a lv 2 if you end up losing everything once the fight ends. So pretty much you have to prepare before you actually do the event. You have to know how much time their is before the event and if there are people who are around to do it.

    For Gridi Hamlet the supplies may get popular during the next supply phase because the fight should happen on a Saturday, but it's pretty much guaranteed the Hamlet will happen on a weekend allowing more people to get the most out of it. But when you have a Hamlet during the weekday, no one wants to spend time gathering/supplying if they can't get much use out of the event itself. Since only the Top 20 get something special out of it, if the most you have to supply is 200k-250k to make it to the top 20, those who can only obtain 100-190k worth of supplies won't bother supplying so you now reduce the amount of potential supplies by tenfold since those who can't gather/synth as much won't even bother supplying just to not make the Top 20.
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    I cant Believe, It´s not a patch ---> 1.22a ( No AF weapons, No changes to PALADIN)


    You´d patch, Believe it! ---->1.22b (?????????????????????)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkschnaider View Post
    I cant Believe, It´s not a patch ---> 1.22a ( No AF weapons, No changes to PALADIN)


    You´d patch, Believe it! ---->1.22b (?????????????????????)
    Paladin changes were always listed as 1.22b, and af weapons were not guaranteed to come this patch...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airget View Post
    if the most you have to supply is 200k-250k to make it to the top 20, those who can only obtain 100-190k worth of supplies won't bother supplying so you now reduce the amount of potential supplies by tenfold since those who can't gather/synth as much won't even bother supplying just to not make the Top 20.

    Wait a tick, you have to supply 2500+ stacks of spruce branches (or whatever) to be top 20? Is that even possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genome View Post
    Wait a tick, you have to supply 2500+ stacks of spruce branches (or whatever) to be top 20? Is that even possible?

    Ya I forgot to mention for those who prolly haven't had a chance to supply a Hamlet, the way it works is when you turn in 10 pieces of a gathered material you obtain 1k points, +1 10=10k points, 1 militia crafted item is 1k points and a +1 of a crafted is 10k points. But ya XD it's not that unbelievable of a number but still obtaining 25 stacks of a specific item isn't easy lol. Basically to reach 250k which I made up as the average minimum that may be needed to hit Top 20 you would need either 25 stacks of NQ materials, 2 and a half stacks of HQ materials, 250 NQ synths or 25 HQ synths.

    For a better perspective on time needed to obtain 250k, let's say it takes about half an hour to cut 6 trees, so you can cut 12 trees an hour, half the time you can obtain spruce branches, so let's say you obtain an average of 5 a cut with a potential of 10 +1.
    So every hour you obtain about
    240 branches or 2 stacks and 42 left over. Now to obtain 25 stacks you'd have to spend about 10hrs gathering but of course that can be reduced by obtaining +1 of said material. But still to obtain 25 stacks and spend 10hrs gathering just to make use of it in a 25hr period just so you can hit the top 20 and make use of it for 25hrs is quite a heavy cost XD.

    On the crafting side with recent changes you can synth maybe 50 items using hast hands every half hour, maybe more so for crafting they could reach the 250k point in about 2hrs and 30 minutes of non-stop hasty hand synthing. However a majority of crafters will most likely take the HQ route in an attempt to reduce the amount they need since the point value is worth 10x more.

    In that essence a synth could take 1-3 mins depending on how things go and including downtime in between. So with a minute per synth that 60 synths an hour which is all ended up being HQ could take 4hrs and change. At the max 3 mins a synth you're only getting 20 synth done an hour in that sense it would take you 12hrs if it all turned out to be HQ. Of course you can speed up the point process by purchasing HQ materials but when point values are reduced to 0 people aren't as willing to spend the cash if something were to come up and they couldn't take advantage of having Top 20 during that Hamlet phase.
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    But ya the way Hamlet is designed atm pretty much gives it a death sentence, it'll work while people want to get stuff, but once the loot dries up people will ignore the event. Unlike Ifrit/Garuda/Moogle which can be done at any time, Hamlet can only be done if proper preparations are made, well done in the sense that if you want the best chances at obtaining loot you should supply said hamlet XD.

    I just hope they can make the changes quickly since the way Hamlet stands now it's gonna die out quickly XD.
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    Last edited by Airget; 05-10-2012 at 08:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airget View Post
    Ya I forgot to mention for those who prolly haven't had a chance to supply a Hamlet, the way it works is when you turn in 10 pieces of a gathered material you obtain 1k points, +1 10=10k points, 1 militia crafted item is 1k points and a +1 of a crafted is 10k points. But ya XD it's not that unbelievable of a number but still obtaining 25 stacks of a specific item isn't easy lol. Basically to reach 250k which I made up as the average minimum that may be needed to hit Top 20 you would need either 25 stacks of NQ materials, 2 and a half stacks of HQ materials, 250 NQ synths or 25 HQ synths.
    Ohh ok. 25 stacks is a lot for sure but a LS could combine the efforts of a few people to get one person top 20 but still, thats a lot of work. I think it took me 1.5 hr to get 1 stack which have been sitting in my inventory. From everything I hear hamlets aren't worth doing so to me, this patch is a big yawn. Had so much hope for hamlet defense but doesn't even seem like its worth doing except to get your anima back.
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