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    [6.0 spoiler] Limit breaks

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    Now, with that out of the way.

    I've seen a certain fan theory posited a fair bit. It's pretty simple: Limit Breaks are the result of the "Dynamis" force introduced to us in this expansion.

    But here's the problem:
    1. Emet-Selch goes out of his way to shoot down the idea that being desperate leading to a burst of strength/determination/whatever you want to call it is a result of Dynamis
    2. Overall, Dynamis is several times noted to be very difficult for aether-rich beings to control or make any kind of practical use of, and it's noted to be very weak in the presence of aether.
    (2.a. OK yeah in Elpis we're a bit "thin" as they describe us, but it's never suggested we're this way when time travel isn't severely weakening us)

    Is there any hard evidence that dynamis actually has anything to do with limit breaks?
    Or is this another "All moonkeeper miqo'te males are submissive sex slaves" lore "interpretation"?
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    Using a tank lb3 is mandatory during the final trial and after you use it, the Endsinger says something along the lines of "Dynamis?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    Using a tank lb3 is mandatory during the final trial and after you use it, the Endsinger says something along the lines of "Dynamis?"
    Someone in one of the other lore threads posted an official actions & traits lore guide and most of the LBs are described as aether. Plus, the unsundered trusts in the lvl87 dungeon can use limit breaks albeit this is a technicality right here more than likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    Using a tank lb3 is mandatory during the final trial and after you use it, the Endsinger says something along the lines of "Dynamis?"
    I missed that. Very interesting...

    But also that whole area is something of an exception to the usual rules, so I'm still left to wonder if they're semi-retconning all limit breaks, or if that's meant to apply to that specific circumstance only, where your allies also made exceptional use of dynamis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    (2.a. OK yeah in Elpis we're a bit "thin" as they describe us, but it's never suggested we're this way when time travel isn't severely weakening us)
    but it is. repeatedly even.
    1) the reason the ascians were nigh unkillable and uncapturable until we devised many extreme and convoluted methods to counter that? because their aetheric density is much much higher than ours
    2) the reason emet-selch saw us as pitiful half beings unworthy of life? because we are mere fractions of what we could be
    3) the reason the song of oblivion is able to transform modern people directly while in ancient times it could only corrupt creation magic? because we are much less aetherically dense than the ancients.

    dynamis is weakened by aether yes but its not as if a single drop of aether overpowers any amount of dynamis, or the entire world ending event were trying to stop wouldnt have worked to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subteraneanbird View Post
    but it is. repeatedly even.
    1) the reason the ascians were nigh unkillable and uncapturable until we devised many extreme and convoluted methods to counter that? because their aetheric density is much much higher than ours
    2) the reason emet-selch saw us as pitiful half beings unworthy of life? because we are mere fractions of what we could be
    3) the reason the song of oblivion is able to transform modern people directly while in ancient times it could only corrupt creation magic? because we are much less aetherically dense than the ancients.

    dynamis is weakened by aether yes but its not as if a single drop of aether overpowers any amount of dynamis, or the entire world ending event were trying to stop wouldnt have worked to begin with.
    Relative to ascians? Yes.

    But when dynamis is first introduced as akasha, it's still framed in the same way: There's not much in the way to directly interact with it nor make use of it. Ascians might be a 40,000 lumen flare to our 1300 lumen floodlight, but we're still beings constituted of aether on a very aether heavy world.
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    While we may be beings that're made of aether, on an aether-heavy world, the Sundering effectively made us "capable" of tapping into that vast reservoir of energy by design. We're still nowhere near the levels of aetheric density that the ancients have, but we're still above that of Entelechies. We're a middle ground where our magickal prowess is largely just enhanced to greater heights by tapping into that spiritual energy. It basically fits into one of FFXIV's prevailing themes: balance is important.
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    We beat it without tank LB. Someone said we needed it but we actually survived without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorn-Kobito View Post
    Someone in one of the other lore threads posted an official actions & traits lore guide and most of the LBs are described as aether. Plus, the unsundered trusts in the lvl87 dungeon can use limit breaks albeit this is a technicality right here more than likely.
    The Encyclopedia Eorzea is an in-universe text, and so might potentially be wrong. The Ktisis Trust partners still stand as evidence, though, so we can believe that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorn-Kobito View Post
    Someone in one of the other lore threads posted an official actions & traits lore guide and most of the LBs are described as aether. Plus, the unsundered trusts in the lvl87 dungeon can use limit breaks albeit this is a technicality right here more than likely.
    Except the EE is essentially an ingame telling of things, and nobody knew of Dynamis before now. Dynamis being used isn't even a contradiction (stating this in general), since LBs can only be used in high stress environments, where emotions run high, and dynamis is essentially the power of emotions.
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