The waiting times are horrible for any working adult

[Rei_Kagene]

Hello everyone,

I'm rather certain this has already been said by others, since it's a huge problem, but I wanted to tell about my own experience with the release of the Expansion as well as the Early Access.

For starters, I tried to play every day, but wasn't successful very often.

My normal workday starts at 7:30am and ends at about 4:30pm.
Normally I get home by 5pm, make something to eat, check my private mails and do chores etc. At this point, the first thing I do is to open up FF14 and log in, since the Queue is always at 4k+ people during the time I get home, which means 4-5 hours waiting time.
So, on my average workday, I get about enough time to do my Roulettes, and then it's already 11pm and I need to go to bed, progression is the main quests (or god forbid side Quests) is an absolute no-go.

Then, during weekends it looks better. In the morning, until about noon, the login is basically instant (to maybe half an hour).
So then I was finally able to get some Story progression and an actual look at Endwalker content. However, I don't have time to stay at the PC the whole day and grocery shopping takes longer than half an hour, so at some point I have to get kicked out for inactivity. Yesterday, that was for example the case at 3-4pm, where I went grocery shopping. After coming back, and logging back in, I was in a queue of over 5k people, that took over 6 HOURS for me to get back in to the game. So that was basically it for the day.

Today I was busy the whole morning and, thanks to an Error during the queue, I got thrown out at some point. After logging back in at 2pm (half an hour ago) I was placed at 3.5k in queue. So I guess I hardly get to play today again.

Thing is, I bought "Playtime Cards", not "Queue waiting time Cards"
I simply can't understand how in todays time the queues can be longer than maybe half an hour, and the compensation of 7 days of playtime, is a joke, considering that it hasn't gotten any better at all.

My point is, when you are an adult, working throughout half the day, and get back home, only to have to spend in a queue the whole time, so you get maybe 1 hour of playtime out of it... That's just horrible.
I couldn't even imagine how much worse it'd be if I also had a child. Probably wouldn't have seen an inch of Endwalker content.

I would have much rather kept playing Shadowbringers and not have Endwalker at all, if it means that I could actually play the game.

[Violet_Galaxy]

That really sucks.

[Lanadra]

So... let me say what's already been said over a dozen times as well.. you realize there are very real problems in the world right now that are directly responsible for why Yoshi P and team couldn't prevent this, despite trying to for the last 7 or so months, right?

Yes, your frustrations, all of our frustrations, are entirely valid. But just like many others, you're entirely flying by just why the queue times are what they are.

[Rei_Kagene]

So... let me say what's already been said over a dozen times as well.. you realize there are very real problems in the world right now that are directly responsible for why Yoshi P and team couldn't prevent this, despite trying to for the last 7 or so months, right?

Yes, your frustrations, all of our frustrations, are entirely valid. But just like many others, you're entirely flying by just why the queue times are what they are.

Way to be condescending for no reason.
Of course I am aware, as just about everyone is.

That still doesn't justify this. It doesn't suddenly make it okay.
If you buy concert tickets and don't get let in because of the "current situation" and miss the concert without getting your money back, you'd probably still see it as reasonable for it is the fault of the "currect situation" and you can't blame the orgainzers at all?

FF14 isn't an Indie game, and it has gained an insane amount of tracktion over the last half a year, along with that, a HUGE amount of inactive players will of course come back when Endwalker drops, so this was really to be expected from a mile away.
You are entirely flying by that this "current situation" isn't an excuse for everything.

[AdamChattaway]

Way to be condescending for no reason.
Of course I am aware, as just about everyone is.

That still doesn't justify this. It doesn't suddenly make it okay.
If you buy concert tickets and don't get let in because of the "current situation" and miss the concert without getting your money back, you'd probably still see it as reasonable for it is the fault of the "currect situation" and you can't blame the orgainzers at all?

FF14 isn't an Indie game, and it has gained an insane amount of tracktion over the last half a year, along with that, a HUGE amount of inactive players will of course come back when Endwalker drops, so this was really to be expected from a mile away.
You are entirely flying by that this "current situation" isn't an excuse for everything.

then again should we really expect soo much from a game that can;t even give all players player housing where many other mmos that were much bigger have? i got banned from ffxiv steam forums for complaining about player housing to devs, banned by a DEV directly because i slandered the housing system.

[Lanadra]

Way to be condescending for no reason.
Of course I am aware, as just about everyone is.

That still doesn't justify this. It doesn't suddenly make it okay.
If you buy concert tickets and don't get let in because of the "current situation" and miss the concert without getting your money back, you'd probably still see it as reasonable for it is the fault of the "currect situation" and you can't blame the orgainzers at all?

FF14 isn't an Indie game, and it has gained an insane amount of tracktion over the last half a year, along with that, a HUGE amount of inactive players will of course come back when Endwalker drops, so this was really to be expected from a mile away.
You are entirely flying by that this "current situation" isn't an excuse for everything.

And you still refuse to get that it doesn't matter if it was 'to be expected a mile away' when even before the influx of the last 6 months it was already impossible to get what they needed. And just like so many others, you mistake 'excuses' with 'an actual valid reason'. You honestly think a shortage that has the entire industrial world from car manufacturing to computers ground to a stand still is a 'baseless excuse'?

The only reason they didn't respond to the influx as we all feel they should.. is because they couldn't, this has been made very clear already.

[DarkBahamut]

And you still refuse to get that it doesn't matter if it was 'to be expected a mile away' when even before the influx of the last 6 months it was already impossible to get what they needed. And just like so many others, you mistake 'excuses' with 'an actual valid reason'. You honestly think a shortage that has the entire industrial world from car manufacturing to computers ground to a stand still is a 'baseless excuse'?

The problem is they keep saying semi-conductor shortage, and while there is a shortage there isn't zero supply. Their argument falls apart once you actually put it to the test. You can order a high end maxed out server and the lead time is currently about a month. A more mid-range server has a 3-day lead time. Sure, it's not tomorrow, but if they've really been trying for 7 months then they'd have had the hardware long ago.

It's a little bit like how they said the 2002 error was due to user packet loss, but we found out they deliberately time out connections after 15 minutes and when the client reconnects if the data centre is full you get a 2002. It actually has nothing to do with packet loss of the client end.

Square Enix/the dev team aren't being completely truthful and they're getting found out.

[Rei_Kagene]

The problem is they keep saying semi-conductor shortage, and while there is a shortage there isn't zero supply. Their argument falls apart once you actually put it to the test. You can order a high end maxed out server and the lead time is currently about a month. A more mid-range server has a 3-day lead time. Sure, it's not tomorrow, but if they've really been trying for 7 months then they'd have had the hardware long ago.

It's a little bit like how they said the 2002 error was due to user packet loss, but we found out they deliberately time out connections after 15 minutes and when the client reconnects if the data centre is full you get a 2002. It actually has nothing to do with packet loss of the client end.

Square Enix/the dev team aren't being completely truthful and they're getting found out.

Exactly that's the thing. I have written a script about 2 years ago to track my Internet connection at all times (cause I had problems with my provider back then and he demanded proof of my bad conneciton).
I switched providers by now but kept the tracker. My connection is absolutely flawless, no package loss at all, and yet I still get these error messages.

[Rei_Kagene]

And you still refuse to get that it doesn't matter if it was 'to be expected a mile away' when even before the influx of the last 6 months it was already impossible to get what they needed. And just like so many others, you mistake 'excuses' with 'an actual valid reason'. You honestly think a shortage that has the entire industrial world from car manufacturing to computers ground to a stand still is a 'baseless excuse'?

The only reason they didn't respond to the influx as we all feel they should.. is because they couldn't, this has been made very clear already.

And you mistake my "actual valid reason" for "excuses" through your white knight armor.
If you develop a Game/Expansion/Technological device and so on, and notice that it just isn't ready yet and will cause problems for a huge portion of people... would you just publish it nonetheless? Blame it on this pandemic/market/whatever?

Seriously, I can't understand why people are so adamant about defending gigantic corporations for no reason.
OF COURSE this situation causes problems, but is DOESN'T excuse an abhorrent situation for the majority of players.
In these last two hours in which I was in queue, I moved from 3.5k to 2.1k and had 3 error message during that time, all with a 100% stable LAN-connection.

How, just HOW can someone sh*t in your soup and you happily eat it saying that it's fine cause of the current situation???

[Xavier_Firbold]

And you mistake my "actual valid reason" for "excuses" through your white knight armor.
If you develop a Game/Expansion/Technological device and so on, and notice that it just isn't ready yet and will cause problems for a huge portion of people... would you just publish it nonetheless? Blame it on this pandemic/market/whatever?

Seriously, I can't understand why people are so adamant about defending gigantic corporations for no reason.
OF COURSE this situation causes problems, but is DOESN'T excuse an abhorrent situation for the majority of players.
In these last two hours in which I was in queue, I moved from 3.5k to 2.1k and had 3 error message during that time, all with a 100% stable LAN-connection.

How, just HOW can someone sh*t in your soup and you happily eat it saying that it's fine cause of the current situation???

I'm so glad people are waking up to this shit business practice with the thinly veiled excuse of "but covid".