PLD - Blade of Valor DoT should stack with Goring Blade.

[NeoDivinity]

OMG these trheads, 1st balance patch isnt even out and ppl are already comparing DPSs, yeah PLD DPSs sucks rn, still it has the on of most smooth and straight foward rotation of the game, ez to pick up, and has a nice challenge when you try to take the most of it.

I get that Damage is the META for XIV, still, adding potencies is the easiest thing to fix, and guess what it comes with the balance patch that didnt happened yet.

That said, having both DoTs stacking would be insanely bad for the opening rotation, it wouldnt align properly with party buffs since you would have to cut the FoF opening rotation in the middle to try fit the BoV Dot with the Goring unless the meta now becomes Req opening, but this also would put FoF as buff the will alway be up on the final of the party buffs to fit. "https://ibb.co/B3L0QZn" here's some possible opening, did it on the fly so doesnt have any weaving nor its too much elaborated.

for this to work we would need a rework i supose.

[WhyAmIHere]

I don't understand why SE decided to do this. Currently PLD is the weakest tank in the game (don't pull the "utility" card because it's not true).

boo hoo.
no one cares. Usage numbers say you're wrong, and hard stats trump your feefees any day.
cant cope with no longer having dominance for 2 expansions in a row. cant even read their own tooltips. Blade of Valor is a replacement, aint it? Circle of Scorn is another DoT, so you still have two DoTs, don'tcha?
PLD's been treated good since stormblood, mald some more.

[ThorneDynasty]

That said, having both DoTs stacking would be insanely bad for the opening rotation, it wouldnt align properly with party buffs since you would have to cut the FoF opening rotation in the middle to try fit the BoV Dot with the Goring unless the meta now becomes Req opening, but this also would put FoF as buff the will alway be up on the final of the party buffs to fit. "https://ibb.co/B3L0QZn" here's some possible opening, did it on the fly so doesnt have any weaving nor its too much elaborated.

for this to work we would need a rework i supose.

I do agree for the overall rotation having them not stack works perfectly fine, but if the meta is a -16s pre-pull solution just to let your damage buff cooldown tick down, I think the opener is precisely the problem currently.

[NeoDivinity]

I do agree for the overall rotation having them not stack works perfectly fine, but if the meta is a -16s pre-pull solution just to let your damage buff cooldown tick down, I think the opener is precisely the problem currently.

100% agree it sucks, but thats also is happening due to both ex fight having really wierd timing for add/ downtime phases, also that only if youre pushing to 95%+, i managed to get 90% on Trial 1 using the standard FoF opening. Right now its a good time for feedback but asking for entire reworks on how the jobs function dont make much sense.

[NyneSwordz]

Hmm maybe you're right

[Spratchet]

boo hoo.
no one cares. Usage numbers say you're wrong, and hard stats trump your feefees any day.
cant cope with no longer having dominance for 2 expansions in a row. cant even read their own tooltips. Blade of Valor is a replacement, aint it? Circle of Scorn is another DoT, so you still have two DoTs, don'tcha?
PLD's been treated good since stormblood, mald some more.

In what universe has PLD had dominance for 2 expansions? It was amazing at the beginning of SB for like....half a patch? Before S.E. buffed the other tanks and WAR took their spot back. In SHB PLD was arguably the worst tank after DRK, with GNB being the best damage wise and WAR being the best on every other front. And that was only because DRK was, and still is, extremely clunky.

Use case means nothing either because the only reasons PLD is being played atm have nothing to do with their dps.
A.) It's the poster job of the expansion.
B.) It's been made incredibly fun.

It's lagging behind all 3 other tanks in dps by quite a significant margin. To the degree that Yoshi P has straight up said it's getting a dps buff.

Lots of people care about it's dps and the state it's in. Just because you don't doesn't give you the right to be rude. Especially when you clearly haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

[Weetzlo]

Dude, what? It hits for the same potency as FoF buffed goring in the exact same spot of the rotation that goring blade would be in a level 80 rotation, but the difference is now you only have like 6 unbuffed physical GCDs per minute instead of the previous 9. How is that something to get so indignant about?

[Leiron]

A flat potency increase with no DoT would hurt our DPS output if they didn't make Blade of Valor 980 potency (normally 420) since the DoT alone is 560 potency, but if they did do that we would be destroying trash mobs in dungeon pulls. Even if they did raise it's DoT to be the same as Goring Blade under the effects of FoF, it would only increase 1.25 potency per tick. Goring Blade got nerfed this expansion from 85 to 65 a tick (not to mention the combo potency of the attack itself was destroyed from 390 to 250) so FoF only makes it 81.25 potency now. The main issue is that while using FoF, you used to get 2 Goring Blades and 1 Royal Authority combo off. Now when using FoF we can only get 1 Goring and 1 Royal Authority and FoF no longer fits the physical combo like it once did due to having to work around not overwriting the DoTs.

Except you need to remember Gunbreaker drops a 1200 potency AOE that deals 20%less damage to other targets hit, and it can do it on command, where as the other Tanks need to go through their standard rotation. I see absolutely no reason not to allow PLD a more bursty phase, especially since that is part of what holds it back as the MT.

[Sacrilegion]

PLD is getting potency buffs next patch, confirmed by Yoshi P in the latest interview. Also, you be surprised what a little skill speed can do for DOTs

[LittleImp]

no one cares. Usage numbers say you're wrong, and hard stats trump your feefees any day.

PLD is the least played tank in p4s, by like a margin 3 to 1 lmao.