Response to Congestion (as of Dec. 15)

[EtherRose]

Except that Legacy and Non-Legacy are both paying the same sub. Hence the distinction break down the devs made between paying customer and non-paying customer.

Breaking it down any further in my opinion wouldn't be a valid idea and just be a trigger for resentment, even if it wouldn't honestly change much. There aren't THAT many legacy players that it would make a gigantic impact.

Right, they are paying the same sub. While Legacy is 5$ cheaper they are the ones who kept supporting FFXIV 1.0 while it was garbage. Everyone else left then came back later in 2.0+. If anything, Legacy player's "should" have a priority queue. It won't happen though.

[VirusOnline]

"Error 2002 While Waiting in Login Queues
In regards to Error 2002 that occurs during login queues, outside of causes related to unstable connections, we have confirmed a bug.
This bug was part of a login-related program created back in FFXIV version 1.0"

A clap for the people who found the bug, because hot damn imagine trying to read back through years old spaghet code and figure out wth they did lol.

[Welsper59]

TBH if they are implementing a priority que system.....they might as well make it Legacy player's > Normal player's > Free trial.

As a legacy player, I find such a thing as unnecessary. If I wanted to flaunt entitlement, it wouldn't be any of the in game vanity or some petty jump in the queue. It'd be the fact I pay only 2/3 the sub fee for the rest of the games life that others pay in full for.

[Viirin]

Right, they are paying the same sub. While Legacy is 5$ cheaper they are the ones who kept supporting FFXIV 1.0 while it was garbage. Everyone else left then came back later in 2.0+. If anything, Legacy player's "should" have a priority queue. It won't happen though.

Legacy players have received more than they "deserve". You deserve to pay less and also get queue priority? Please. You aren't special. Get over yourself. Woopdee-doo, you kept paying money for a bad game. What a hero.

[Pesan]

Legacy players have received more than they "deserve". You deserve to pay less and also get queue priority? Please. You aren't special. Get over yourself. Woopdee-doo, you kept paying money for a bad game. What a hero.

Am a legacy from 1.0. I do not want a priority queue for myself, it would only make me a pariah when ppl can't get in. I only advocate for a smooth entry queue that doesn't boot me anywhere from 0-12 times in my 4 hour journey to enter. If i know I don't have to keep an eye on it, I can easily do other things while I wait.

[Catwho]

Also legacy from 1.0, do not need a priority queue. But I'm glad that for the moment the free trial players are cut off. Turns out some of them may have been the afk botters on certain servers, and the queues are now a lot nicer in a few places.

[Illmaeran]

If people would be considerate of their own volition, then it wouldn't be needed.

How do you know people aren't doing this of their own volition? A data center can handle 17,000 to 21,000 concurrent players in the login queue. Cactuar alone has an active population of 13,343 as of Dec 3, 2021. https://dotesports.com/mmo/news/all-...er-populations Cactuar's on the Aether data center which houses 13 different worlds. For simplicity's sake, let's say all of those have an active population of 13,000 players. That's a total of 169,000 active players on the Aether data center.

Let's say 25% of all active players have completed the MSQ and 100% of those players choose to stop playing so other people can have a chance. 169,000 x 0.75 = 126,750 active players who haven't completed the MSQ and are trying to get in. That's six times (600%) the login server's hypothetical max capacity of 21,000 or 9.94 times (994%) of the 17,000 max capacity.

Even if a full 50% of players on the Aether data center have finished the MSQ and stopped playing, there are still 300-500% more players than the login server can handle trying to get into the game.


Until a great majority of players on each *data center*, not just server, decide to take a break from playing, queues are going to continue being significant even if SE did the unthinkable and completely stopped people who finished the MSQ from even being able to log in.


I know quite a few, possibly up to 50%, of the people in my FC have finished the MSQ and have taken a break or are logging in much less frequently. We're a worldwide FC so I don't know how many people are playing while I'm asleep or at work, but many have commented on how participation has pretty much reduced to "the regulars" again. I also know that me, myself, and I have reduced my play time after marathon sessions to finish the MSQ. People ARE cutting back on play time. There are just far too many people still trying to get into the game for there to be a practical effect on queues on high population data centers.

[Batbrat]

Alright so what I've gathered from the last 15 threads + this one is that clearly REAL problems here are:

Free trial users SNEAKING in at midnight
Normal subscriptions being allowed in before the royal legacy players without at least kissing their feet first
People in their houses, if you are in your house for any reason then you need to get out RIGHT now or else you're getting reported
People afking for any reason whatsoever, you should log out if you have a sneeze because the buildup takes too long and someone else could be playing in that time that you are making that stupid about to sneeze face
People who took off work who are HOGGING playtime, they should be at work all the time ever and its their fault that you didnt think to or couldnt do the same
And then of course the dev team, because they can't do anything right and anyone here could have easily fixed the 2002 problem in their sleep + bought servers + made the whole game

Did I get everything. Probably not, we have like another week until the fix patch, so I'm sure by then the demands and blame will rise to a new absurd level.
Just a little reminder that if you log on anytime between 11pm-8am PST (on a weekday anyway) there is literally no queue. None. 0. At most there's like 20. Which is none-you zip right in. So just a little reminder there.

[Liam_Harper]

Right, they are paying the same sub. While Legacy is 5$ cheaper they are the ones who kept supporting FFXIV 1.0 while it was garbage.

Supporting a game when it's garbage isn't a good thing. It's the players who didn't support 1.0 because it was garbage who forced SE to completely remake the game and create a success.

[Mjollnir]

Supporting a game when it's garbage isn't a good thing. It's the players who didn't support 1.0 because it was garbage who forced SE to completely remake the game and create a success.

Well really it's the FFXI subscribers that should get priority because they saved S-E after the Spirits Within financial disaster and then bank-rolled 1.0/ARR.

Actually maybe S-E should give free access to FFXI whilst you're queuing and swap you over when you can log in.

/s