Paladin weakest Tank now

[Undeadfire]

Rank 1 tank? What?

I checked FFLogs and I couldnt find Xenosys anywhere in the top 100 Savage Pandemonium clears.

People ignore the logs at this time, and at the same time it's RNG based, whoever plays more wins more.

[LittleImp]

Rank 1 tank? What?

I checked FFLogs and I couldnt find Xenosys anywhere in the top 100 Savage Pandemonium clears.

Rank is a very ephemeral thing. Xenosys has indeed occupied the overall rank 1 position for various content multiple times throughout the games history, but doesn't put a huge amount of effort into maintaining said ranking. There is zero doubt that he is absolutely one of the best tank players in the game, but he has a pretty unique experience as a content creator, so his opinions have to be viewed through that lens.

[Sathona]

You made it in forums.txt congrats for the meme

[NeoDivinity]

I saw P4S enrage at 20k remaining HP week 1 in pugs. Was everyone else playing perfectly? Absolutely not. Would I have cleared the fight if I had taken any job besides PLD? Yes, and that's something that will never not bother me.
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That's just weird to say, while changing to another tank lots of variables also change, if u got 2% doing your best and picked up PLD knowing it was weak, i presume that because u play better with it than the other tanks therefore u're more comfortable greeding and mitigating.
Let's say u picked up a DRK and performed with a better DPS but worse in mitigation, still if you running a comp w/o a WHM you know healers will need to give up their DPS to heal you whenever u pop LD once or twice.

In an even worst scenario your healers who's not a WHM would possible try change lets say from AST to WHM to make up for the healing struggle, taking away Divination and Cards.

I could go on and on, trying to give inumerous scenarios where you changing from the job u were to a new one would make it a worst outcome, and also YOU could present me with inumerous scenarios where u changing could make you reach a better one.
This applies to the all the 8 members of the group so theres no way to know.

Thing is that in fact if PLD was stronger you would've beat the boss in that specific run, thats true.

Now if im incorrect, and the motives for to pick up PLD wasnt because of your familiarity with the job and you CAN perform so well with the other Tanks that changing it wouldnt require any change on the strategy or timeline of your group while also providing you higher damage number, you deliberately have put yourself on a position where the chances of wiping for enrage were higher. If you usually do week 1 prog. aiming to clear the full raid before the reset, unless u're a first clear top 10 rank parser, playing with a underperfoming jobs can almost be seen as griefing your own team. But since you were pugging, taking all the responsability of 20k damage onto only you is just weird everyone in the group was at fault.

[Hammerhorn]

If you main PLD right now someone has to pick up that 500DPS your missing...period end of story. My team wiped at .4% on Turn 2 this week I pull great numbers for what PLD CAN do atm yet I couldn’t help but feel as though man if only I would have trained as another tank and not wasted my time training for years as a PLD! Some yahoo is gonna say “well a dps should of picked that up”. No , tanks should be tuned evenly you can’t play whatever you wanna play week one , my team has several classes that are to be buffed in the future , when you pull a bunch of the under tuned classes together (even if your players are “good” at them ) your gonna have a bad time! Ya you can play whatever u want but the consequence could be negative. This is all gonna be irrelevant soon anyhow based on game design , every week the game trickle feeds you gear to inflate your teams numbers so even if things were under tuned they start to preform in a couple weeks and most people are none the wiser. This is smart on the Devs they don’t have to make everything perfect because it will work itself out this way doesn’t mean balance and tuning existed though. I feel like the people sayin PLD dps is fine have no clue what raiding Savage at content release entails. There’s zero justification for PLD being so far behind by default. Healers have dps raid buffs to make up the difference. AST does less personal dps than WHM because they have dps buffs, Sch does less personal dps than Sage because they have a dps buff. If PLD by default is gonna start the race with a gun shot wound to the knee and be behind this much on DPS from the other tanks then give us a raid buff so someone can make up that 500 DPS. Not to mention PLD has the most complex rotation of any tank , hell you have to NOT follow your combo just to stay up with yourself! So your reward for working your ass off is just less , just feels bad man. Right now as a PLD you feel like your lettin your team down just for being there. I’m not asking for PLD to be better than everyone , I’m not ignorant to checks and balances either , I just want equality and right now it does not exist.

[Shinimas]

Paladin should still be the lowest DPS because the ranged phase makes PLD easier to play, but obviously not 10%+ lower than DRK. Within 5% should be fine, just a hair below WAR.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Except, that's completely bullshit, PLD has a strict rigid rotation and cannot guarantee full uptime via Requiescat, with optimisation it might be possible, but it's not sufficient reason for your stated penalisation. All in full uptime fights, PLD gets punished for no reason by your logic.

[Absurdity]

Except, that's completely bullshit, PLD has a strict rigid rotation and cannot guarantee full uptime via Requiescat, with optimisation it might be possible, but it's not sufficient reason for your stated penalisation. All in full uptime fights, PLD gets punished for no reason by your logic.

Optimization doesn't change anything, because optimizing the fight usually means that the other tanks get 100% uptime as well, negating the "ranged advantage" that PLD has.

[Undeadfire]

Optimization doesn't change anything, because optimizing the fight usually means that the other tanks get 100% uptime as well, negating the "ranged advantage" that PLD has.

Please lol.... The only way Paladin can currently beat War/Drk/Gnb requires around 8 GCDs loss, there's nothing Paladin can do about that. Raid buff syncing is the meta combination, and Paladin de-syncs too quickly staying on it.

[Absurdity]

Please lol.... The only way Paladin can currently beat War/Drk/Gnb requires around 8 GCDs loss, there's nothing Paladin can do about that. Raid buff syncing is the meta combination, and Paladin de-syncs too quickly staying on it.

Read what I said again...