Paladin weakest Tank now

[GalaxyEyes]

my opinion as a filthy casual.
Lets forget you have a healer in the party and look at PLD and DRK when they are alone.

DRK is not a good tank for big pulls but is good for mt raid boss. TBN + oblation can make any tankbuster hit 0 (even with some vuln stacks) and that feel so good! And since raid bosses hit way harder, but less frequently you feel safe since you just took 0 dmg and still (probably) at full hp. But when you are surrounded by mobs hitting you (low dmg but frequently), taking 0 dmg for 2 seconds doesnt feel good as there is no other way to regain the HP you are losing while TBN is on cooldown. You can use Abyssal Drain to refil around 30% of you hp, (around 50% if everything crits) but thats every minute... and TBN still on CD. You can use Walking Dead and be damned after 10 seconds.

PLD is good for big pulls but not good for mt. There is no shields on him so you remain on sheltron/ramp/sentinel to mitigate the dmg as much as possible and let the regen/clemency refill your HP after the blow (but the dmg will never be 0, so you may die if you dont pop HG...). But in big pulls you can pop HG and be free for 10 fking seconds! you can pop this in the first pull of the dg and it will probably be up by the first or second pull after the boss! And you can just forget to dps and use clemency 5x thats around 20% of your hp each cast (if it crit 30% [without reqcat]) and let the DPS kill the mobs!

You are a TANK. if you die, then everyone else dies.

Thats how *i see* PLD and DRK, extreme opposites. One mitigates through shield (DRK), the other through healings (PLD). One has to preemptively mitigate dmg (DRK, through shield) and another has to mitigate after the dmg (PLD, through healings).
(i wont talk about WAR... he is an alien. nor GNB.)

I dont fking care if PLD is 10% lower on dps mark. I could still do both ex-trials in EW as a PLD, with any party comp.
"ooo but the next savag-" IF paladin is rendered useless over all other tanks (which is ridiculous to even think about it.) such as 'not enough dmg to beat dps check BECAUSE of PLD' or 'not enough mitigation to tank swap' (or wtv bs...) then i would enrage on SE to buff the class or nerf something. But as it is right now is nice and acceptable.

I do have some complaints in all the tanks, some boring stuff that make me wanna punch a spike wall. But thats balanced with the good stuff that almost makes me C**.
Thats all i have to say. Change my mind.

[Kalaam]

That's a good writeup, though I would point out that DRL mitigates through A shield singuler, and PLD through healingS plural, since PLD has several sources of healing now.

[Navnav]

People here are tripping to high kindom come. A tanks main purpose is its survivability in any situation. That should be what you are looking for first in a tank, not damage. You are able to clear ANYTHING with what square gives you. So many of you sound like spoiled entitled brats to be quite honest. If I was square I would just leave you to suffer in silence, not that you'll will ever stop complaining your tank don't do as much dps as your black mage.

The opinions on this forum is absolutely insane, I honestly have no words...

[Undeadfire]

People here are tripping to high kindom come. A tanks main purpose is its survivability in any situation. That should be what you are looking for first in a tank, not damage. You are able to clear ANYTHING with what square gives you. So many of you sound like spoiled entitled brats to be quite honest. If I was square I would just leave you to suffer in silence, not that you'll will ever stop complaining your tank don't do as much dps as your black mage.

The opinions on this forum is absolutely insane, I honestly have no words...

Sorry man, the game is based around DPS centric, tanks that have the stronger DPS combinations are always going to favoured over the others, same for Healers/DPS.

This formula started many years ago and SE have continued sticking to it. Power mitigation jobs are never gonna be picked over tanks having a powerhouse of DPS except for progging a first clear.

[jadeblade]

People here are tripping to high kindom come. A tanks main purpose is its survivability in any situation. That should be what you are looking for first in a tank, not damage. You are able to clear ANYTHING with what square gives you. So many of you sound like spoiled entitled brats to be quite honest. If I was square I would just leave you to suffer in silence, not that you'll will ever stop complaining your tank don't do as much dps as your black mage.

The opinions on this forum is absolutely insane, I honestly have no words...

A warrior that doesn’t want PLD to get buffs how typical.

You do understand in term is self sustain WAR is above PLD and they are close to DRK DPS. I just want us to be close to warrior in term of DPS I don’t mind being the fourth tanks dps , I just want not the gapping hole we see right now between WAR and PLD. Yes we bring some niche raid untility but the dps trade off is insane ,Certainly I don’t want us to be top tank DPS just make us decent.

[RyuDragnier]

A warrior that doesn’t want PLD to get buffs how typical.

You do understand in term is self sustain WAR is above PLD and they are close to DRK DPS. I just want us to be close to warrior in term of DPS I don’t mind being the fourth tanks dps , I just want not the gapping hole we see right now between WAR and PLD. Yes we bring some niche raid untility but the dps trade off is insane ,Certainly I don’t want us to be top tank DPS just make us decent.

Calm down. Gonna be honest, if you want Damage over utility...give DRK a try.

[jadeblade]

Calm down. Gonna be honest, if you want Damage over utility...give DRK a try.

I don’t want damage over utility I want us to be as viable as Warriors in terms of DPS, we are both sustain tanks and again for 1000th time, niche raid utility doesn’t justify the Hugh gap between WAR and PLD dps, DRK and GNB can have their top DPS spots. If I want to dps I play a dps class.

[Kalaam]

Calm down, there is rivalry between jobs ._. That'd be ridiculous.
Nobody would seriously be "ugh, I want MY job to be the best at EVERYTHING and every other has to be WEAK!"
Because someone mains a different job than you doesn't invalidate their opinion, quite the contrary, they can have a perspective that is very relevant that you do not have because your experiences are different.

[jadeblade]

Calm down, there is rivalry between jobs ._. That'd be ridiculous.
Nobody would seriously be "ugh, I want MY job to be the best at EVERYTHING and every other has to be WEAK!"
Because someone mains a different job than you doesn't invalidate their opinion, quite the contrary, they can have a perspective that is very relevant that you do not have because your experiences are different.

I just explained why his opinion isn’t valid, niche raid util doesn’t explain the huge gap between war and paladin DPS in addition WAR self sustain is higher than PLD. I have been playing since ARR and I remember WAR has always been MT and got it good since then while we have to beg for every single thing we got now. Like it or not every time we got close to them There has been Hugh uproar from them.

I am not sure why I am still playing PLD , maybe I am sentimental type, Nostalgia maybe at some point I might just say screw it and just go main WAR.

So Warriors go play your class ,us getting buff doesn’t make you less important.

[GalaxyEyes]

I think was on 5.1, or 5.2 . That WAR Holmgang didnt last enough to survive the Eden Titan tankbuster. It was like 6 seconds or 4? Some number around that.

Now everyone is happy right? All invuln skills last 10 seconds!!! LOOK HOW COOL IS THAT! EVERYONE IS EQUAL.

:jokes: