Paladin weakest Tank now

[Oizen]

Despite opinions it's pick rate would flop, every dedicated tank raider will tell you this. Having more mitigations than other tanks isn't ever useful, it makes the Savage raids notably more difficult if it were to be lower DPS.

This is the unfortunate truth and the result of extreme tank homogenization. They all have to fill the exact same role, and with the way content is designed for this game, it means they all have to be able to clear the exact same challenges in the exact same way, so the result of that is damage matters above all else. Which unfortunately is only going to lead to even further tank homogenization.

[Zeldert-Castiel]

If anything the fact DRK is (by a wide margin) still the least popular tank, followed by GNB, while PLD is the second most popular should be a pretty clear indication the "DPS is King!" crowd is basically a vocal minority.

my defense for playing PLD is that as a healer main who can't play tank, I need a tank job that can heal themselves ;w;
Clemency would be my panic button if my health drops below 35% because as a healer I'm not used seeing tanks with that low health

[DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise]

Despite opinions it's pick rate would flop, every dedicated tank raider will tell you this. Having more mitigations than other tanks isn't ever useful, it makes the Savage raids notably more difficult if it were to be lower DPS.

I don’t think so, warrior pick rate hasn’t flopped and it’s not up to par with drk/gnb
Warrior is max comfy and let’s healer not worry about them
If pld were to truly, actually, become a tank that does on par damage with warrior while also being warrior levels of comfy it would have a much better pick rate
Why I’m abandoning pld for warrior is because, warrior ALSO supports the group better. Yeah nascent is max comfy and better group support

“But clemency is better in those 5% of scenarios”
^
You even ask paladins about something better than clemency and they are attached to the very thing that holds them back. It doesn’t matter that nascent and shake it off prevents most of those 5% scenarios from happening in the first place. It doesn’t matter that warrior never needed to spam clemency on self to finish off a boss.
They just remember those 5% scenarios where clemency was clutch, even if you could reduce those scenarios to 1%…

As it stands I don’t see it changing. Warrior IS the paladin I was looking for, so my problem is solved as soon as I get used to this new rotation

But imo until clemency is fundamentally changed/replaced pld will always be a shadow of what it was supposed to be

[Sqwall]

I still feel like Clemency needs to use oath. As an OGCD it is MUCH more desirable then spending a GCD to heal yourself/someone. Oath doesn't have to be JUST for Sheltron, Intervention, Cover.

Simple fix...remove cover... or trait it to intervention. Nobody uses it anyway and it's benefits don't translate well with the cost of Oath.

With cover removed...put clemency on Oath gauge. Now the Paladin has a 2 choices to make while MT or OT. Downside of all of this. Healers hate clemency as it's potentially a GCD waster for them. Why heal you if you're just going to heal yourself.

Well to those healers that hate clemancy...I would like you to turn your gaze to Equilibrium. Essentially the same skill, but clemency is a casted spell.
-I equilibrium after nearly all tank busters
-I equilibrium after stacks
-I equilibrium after really any major damage I take as a WAR.

Downside...this just further entrenches healers in into I button DPS. Gross

I don't see how this would be any different if Clemency was on Oath and OGCD. If anything it's even more limiting with this change as I can only hit clemency x2 in a row. Or I can do a combo Holy Sheltron for the hit, and Clemency for the HP lost after the hit. Kind of like Thrill of Battle BEFORE a hit, and Equilibrium after the hit with the %HP restored making it more.

Long post, but I suppose....
1. Make Clemency cost 50 Oath.
2. Make Clemency OGCD.
3. Remove Cover or change it to level based trait (remove the tether as you did this for dragoon so.....). Cover at 45 -> (traits to) Intervention at 65.

Other gripes I had leveling paladin over the years.

1. Change Devine Veil remove the silly heal proc gimmick. And have Devine Veil synergize with Passage of Arms. If you have the Devine Veil buff + Passage of arms buff the party gains additional 5% damage mitigation.
2. Change Royal Authority morph into Atonement when the combo is complete. There is no need to use royal authority again once you have atonement stacks. This would cut down on button bloat. (I would think, maybe I'm wrong)
3. Change Shield Bash to something other then an interrupt. Possibly gain 25 Oath on use. 30 sec cooldown. I never liked when they changed oath gauge gain to auto attack, and I felt it was fine when you blocked you gained oath. (maybe it was hard to balance?)
4. Change requiescat to also gain 25 Oath. Every 60 seconds you get 25 oath doesn't seem all that bad seeing how I'm constantly spamming holy Shelton or intervention anyway. But for those moments when I really need Oath.

Now I'm not saying they should DO ALL of these suggestions. I would just like them to TRY it out and see how it feels to play. Again just some small nit picks I felt leveling PLD. WAR is still my tank of choice.

IMO paladin just feels incredibly unimpactful other then it's Confiteor rotation. Compared to the other tanks...Paladin just still feels weak.

[Undeadfire]

I don’t think so, warrior pick rate hasn’t flopped and it’s not up to par with drk/gnb
Warrior is max comfy and let’s healer not worry about them
If pld were to truly, actually, become a tank that does on par damage with warrior while also being warrior levels of comfy it would have a much better pick rate
Why I’m abandoning pld for warrior is because, warrior ALSO supports the group better. Yeah nascent is max comfy and better group support

It's not flopped because it's always been pretty low starting SHBs, except PLD actually adapted closer to raid buffs in SHBs compared to Warrior. War doesn't get enough potency damage vs Drk/Gnb during 60s-2 Mins. Drk 2 min bursts are near on par with Caster DPS.

[Lyth]

WAR actually appears to be the most popular tank choice in Asphodelos over the past two weeks by a significant margin, despite doing numbers very similar to (and in some cases trailing behind) PLD. I think that a lot of people are just really happy with the lifesteal mechanics and how comfy it is. DRK, meanwhile, is either equally or slightly less popular than PLD. I don't think that damage output necessarily correlates with usage rates, especially when the numbers are as close as they are.

It also illustrates that if you pushed tank dps into a tighter balance, you'd paradoxically see an even more skewed pick rate. If all tanks had identical dps, then you don't really have a reason to put up with a tank that has clunky design or punishing mechanics. And that's the part that's significantly harder to fix than the numbers.

[Undeadfire]

14 on a competitive level will have tier list basically for raiders, all SE can do is what they stated, keep Savage/Ultimate beatable with all jobs. However SHBs release, Nin couldn't lol... EW, Pld was close to Nins level of failure.

SE can put their parses more closely, it's the jobs and their tools, syncing, etc. Even if War/Pld operate much closely this xpac, Drk/Gnb will win the day anyway, their aDPS are through the roof. Raid buff syncing has been the dominant force plan for many years now.

[AziraSyuren]

Not only is WAR the most played tank, it's the second most played job in the entire game. The damage output of a job hasn't been pertinent to its pick rate since Stormblood, outside of massive outliers. Even then, that was more due to raid buff and debuff synergy than actual output.

[DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise]

Yeah is why I think ppl are barking up the wrong tree with the potency stuff.
The potency is fine as of right now imo. Warrior is most popular tank, tied for last place.
I love the rotation, feels great. Honestly like it more than warrior rotation, but the damage feels pretty equivalent so far. What isn’t equivalent is how much better of a tank warrior is at tanking and supporting. It’s so different.

So pld.. not as tanky as warrior or gnb, imo it’s plenty tanky enough though
Tied for last place in dps with warrior (again, not a problem)
Not as group supportive as warrior, believe it or not. This is where people will run off the rails and shout “but clemency!” from the rafters, and why I’m abandoning it. Feels like a hopeless endeavor to have faith that a job will be fixed, when nobody can see what’s wrong with it.
Clemency isn’t good, but most people think it is

[Sqwall]

Yeah is why I think ppl are barking up the wrong tree with the potency stuff.
The potency is fine as of right now imo. Warrior is most popular tank, tied for last place.
I love the rotation, feels great. Honestly like it more than warrior rotation, but the damage feels pretty equivalent so far. What isn’t equivalent is how much better of a tank warrior is at tanking and supporting. It’s so different.

So pld.. not as tanky as warrior or gnb, imo it’s plenty tanky enough though
Tied for last place in dps with warrior (again, not a problem)
Not as group supportive as warrior, believe it or not. This is where people will run off the rails and shout “but clemency!” from the rafters, and why I’m abandoning it. Feels like a hopeless endeavor to have faith that a job will be fixed, when nobody can see what’s wrong with it.
Clemency isn’t good, but most people think it is

I have played all the tanks (have PLD and WAR at 90. GNB and DRK 80) And I can say this.

Warrior is the most comfortable to play. Rotation, Mitigation, Self Sustain, Damage, Party Utility, gap closer. It's just in a really good spot as far as looking at all the other tanks.

Possibly the jack of all trades so to speak. Master of none.

It's just a great tank design.

I personally dislike PLD now with all of it's strange design aspects.