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    Disturbing trend

    Reading the forums lately, especially today, it seems that there is an increasing amount of people feeling that SE/FF14 treat the JPN DC and, thus, Japanese players better than NA/SA/EU ones. Even things like saying everyone should try to flood JPN servers with transfers.
    However, I think 2 points partially excuse the login problems in NA, and other things prove this to not be true.

    SE couldn't have foreseen the humongous growth of FF14 in the NA/EU regions this past few months. Also, the inability of practically anyone to acquire bespoke MMO servers is another problem they can't control.

    On the other side, SE has done many things that cater to mostly an NA/EU centric point, these beings things like bunny suits for men, the recent 6.0 changes making many items be both for men and women, and in some small way maybe even male viera. These things weren't as fervently asked for by the JPN (in the cases of the first 2), and mostly by the NA playerbase, and thus SE complied.

    To think they treat JPN DC preferentially isn't true - in most cases it is just a matter of communication between their NA counterparts, what those counterparts choose to raise to the JPN developers, and such. In addition, when people say the JPN don't want the Oceanic players around them, this is probably a miscommunication of culture. Japanese don't like not being able to communicate, not only b/c it is needed at times, but also because it can be personally embarrassing to have a lack of skills (English). Thus, they don't dislike playing with non-Japanese speakers b/c they dislike those players - it is more a matter of saving face, I think.

    Anyways, just hoping that there isn't a lot more anti-Japanese type of post and all because it is somewhat distressing since there really is no basis, that I can see, for it at all^^

    Extra edit for clarification - disturbing to me, perhaps, because I am Japanese ^^
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    Last edited by MirielleLavandre; 12-14-2021 at 10:08 AM.

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    Its all good. I haven't noticed this trend yet but I'm sure it's a very small viewpoint from solely butcher players

    Other then that all your points are good abd well meaning

    Just prepare for alot of naysayers sowing your way
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    What's disturbing about it? They like themselves more than they like you, and they more readily take feedback from their local playerbase than they take yours.
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    It's nice to see reasonable, well-worded forums threads in the midst of all the other nonsense...

    Thanks Mirielle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post

    SE couldn't have foreseen the humongous growth of FF14 in the NA/EU regions this past few months. Also, the inability of practically anyone to acquire bespoke MMO servers is another problem they can't control.
    We’ve had server problems for years now, it didn’t just become a problem. It was only more noticeable now because of expansion release. They did nothing to fix them for years and only applied bandaid after bandaid fix. Also i think there is some basis for these claims. A lot of the feedback they take is purely from the jp forums and they’ve basically abandoned these forums in favor of other social media.
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    Rezpls, I'll be the first to admit that we're some of the most homogeneous people in the world, but I don't think we're xenophobic about it. In fact, the majority of the world besides the US, Canada, and some EU countries are the same (majority one race). Your own post was one I was referring to where you say it is obvious SE doesn't care about anyone but the JPN.
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    Last edited by MirielleLavandre; 12-14-2021 at 10:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    Reading the forums lately, especially today, it seems that there is an increasing amount of people feeling that SE/FF14 treat the JPN DC and, thus, Japanese players better than NA/SA/EU ones. Even things like saying everyone should try to flood JPN servers with transfers.
    However, I think 2 points partially excuse the login problems in NA, and other things prove this to not be true.

    SE couldn't have foreseen the humongous growth of FF14 in the NA/EU regions this past few months. Also, the inability of practically anyone to acquire bespoke MMO servers is another problem they can't control.

    On the other side, SE has done many things that cater to mostly an NA/EU centric point, these beings things like bunny suits for men, the recent 6.0 changes making many items be both for men and women, and in some small way maybe even male viera. These things weren't as fervently asked for by the JPN (in the cases of the first 2), and mostly by the NA playerbase, and thus SE complied.

    To think they treat JPN DC preferentially isn't true - in most cases it is just a matter of communication between their NA counterparts, what those counterparts choose to raise to the JPN developers, and such. In addition, when people say the JPN don't want the Oceanic players around them, this is probably a miscommunication of culture. Japanese don't like not being able to communicate, not only b/c it is needed at times, but also because it can be personally embarrassing to have a lack of skills (English). Thus, they don't dislike playing with non-Japanese speakers b/c they dislike those players - it is more a matter of saving face, I think.

    Anyways, just hoping that there isn't a lot more anti-Japanese type of post and all because it is somewhat distressing since there really is no basis, that I can see, for it at all^^
    Yes they can foreseen the humongus grow. It is not science rocket. They invite rich cambell and asmongold to the preview-tour for a REASON.
    Cars are still sold, phones, computers and servers. There is a shortage not an production stop. Stop using that lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    Rezpls, I'll be the first to admit that we're some of the most homogeneous people in the world, but I don't think we're xenophobic about it. In fact, the majority of the world besides the US, Canada, and some EU countries are the same (majority one race). Your own post was one I was referring to where you say it is obvious SE doesn't care about anyone but the JPN.
    I don't think that's a bad thing and I don't think it's that they don't care exactly, but you are probably correct that at the very least there's a breakdown in communication between the NA community and the Japanese developers.

    During the media tour Yoshi P was asked a question about latency being taken into consideration with job design, specifically MCH was brought up, and he seemed completely dumbfounded by the question as if it's a completely new issue that was brought up to them. Yet it's an issue that has been talked about within the communities outside of Japan for years.

    Another poster on these forums who keeps track of housing also pointed out that new housing wards were only added after the Japanese playerbase started to experience housing scarcity, despite it being an issue in the NA data centers for awhile by that point.

    Then there are these forums themselves. They don't read them, they don't moderate them except with reports, and they don't engage with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    Rezpls, I'll be the first to admit that we're some of the most homogeneous people in the world, but I don't think we're xenophobic about it. In fact, the majority of the world besides the US, Canada, and some EU countries are the same (majority one race). Your own post was one I was referring to where you say it is obvious SE doesn't care about anyone but the JPN.
    The company's actions throughout the years and the extreme lack of consideration they've had for NA/EU (non-JP) feedback tell me they either hire some of the most incompetent community representatives, or they just do not care/want to hear "other communities" input.
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    If anyone ever has been to Japan for a longer period of time and used ther IT infrastructure - you might have noticed vastly superior internet connection speeds and quality of service. I can not say anything in regards to the Japanese Datacenters, but the internet in the country is very, very good. Besides, I actually assume that a lot of players are going to live rather close to the servers themselves due to a large portion in Japan already leaving in the greater Tokyo area (thats roughly 60mil people I talk of that possibly are capeable of having single digit latency to the servers).

    If EU OR NA have bad servers, that is an issue in itsself and will not be fixed by people trying to crashland on JP servers. I mean you won't stay there anyway. Don't waste your time.
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