Endwalker was "meh" (for reasons other than technical issues)

[Anatha]

This is the point i was making yeah. They make it seem like it’s purely Dynamis but everything we know contradicts that so i guess we’ll see what the devs officially say if they even address it.

how is a boss going "dynamis?" after we use LB3 "they make it seem like it's purely dynamis"? That's really hyperbolic of you.

[BrokentoothMarch]

how is a boss going "dynamis?" after we use LB3 "they make it seem like it's purely dynamis"? That's really hyperbolic of you.

"Dynamis?" in response to a mandatory TankLB3 to the point that it's even given for free. And it being the only way we can survive. And her being surprised that we survived. Because of the TankLB3. That was described as aether. That she has otherwise identified as Dynamis. That was presumably charged through Power of Friendship. Which is essentially described as influencing Dynamis. Which therefore is responsible completely for our LB3 as there's no Aether that far out.

If you're going to be disingenuous, you could try putting a bit more effort into it because there's no way you're unknowingly ignoring the literal entire situation that birthed that line.

[Miles064]

"Dynamis?" in response to a mandatory TankLB3 to the point that it's even given for free. And it being the only way we can survive. And her being surprised that we survived. Because of the TankLB3. That was described as aether. That she has otherwise identified as Dynamis. That was presumably charged through Power of Friendship. Which is essentially described as influencing Dynamis. Which therefore is responsible completely for our LB3 as there's no Aether that far out.

If you're going to be disingenuous, you could try putting a bit more effort into it because there's no way you're unknowingly ignoring the literal entire situation that birthed that line.

Was it ever stated how we charge up/ use LB though? I know it is based on aether but that area was filled with dynamis so perhaps she was surprised we LBed with dynamis instead? If we LB by drawing energy from around us it would make sense why it would use aether most of the time.

[BrokentoothMarch]

You were being hyperbolic, now you're being rude. You should stop.

We're two different bunboys, trust me.

Anyways, I won't apologize. The problem is that you were being pretty dismissive with the accusation of hyperbole by throwing a single line into a vacuum while completely ignoring the surrounding elements which is, well, an inherently disingenuous thing to do. You clearly went far enough as to fight the final trial since you knew about her remark about Dynamis after the LB3, yet still seemed to act as if ignorant to the knowledge leading up to, during, and after that point. Short of having very selective attention, you seemed to have cherrypicked this line and only this line in order to downplay it's importance and therefore ridicule the theory that tackled it. Were you genuinely being passive-aggressive? I cannot, with authority, say one way or the other. That being said, the optics point towards "Yes", so you're going to get some snark back.

Was it ever stated how we charge up/ use LB though? I know it is based on aether but that area was filled with dynamis so perhaps she was surprised we LBed with dynamis instead? If we LB by drawing energy from around us it would make sense why it would use aether most of the time.

It was, I believe, stated to be generated from excess aether expenditure from the party or an empowerment gained through the Echo. I will concede the point that the writers have been pretty cagey about how LB is specifically referred to in the lore, but it's connection with aether is rather strong. Assuming I play devil's advocate and that this one single time it worked with dynamis (even though I think it shouldn't considering how they've stressed how fundamentally different aether and dynamis are, not to mention that the WoL's being able to channel dynamis on a dime is questionable at best), I'd still need to face the fact as to why all it took was the Scions and maybe some survivors that are aware of our work at the end of the universe was enough Dynamis to repel her assault, but no less than sixteen worlds were unable to have enough will to live to subvert it in the way we have. I understand that those worlds were torn and dealing with horrific events, but has Eorzea not been locked in borderline nonstop war at worst and political machinations and assassinations at best? If any form of turmoil somehow demeans the will to survive of an entire species, I can't think of a reason we were spared what all those worlds had to endure.

As you can tell, I'm a bit averse to dynamis and it's existence in the story. I feel like it was a plot device to explain how something so horrific and powerful could subvert masters of aether like the Ancients.

Excuse the tangent, this really took my goat. Haha.

[Miles064]

It was, I believe, stated to be generated from excess aether expenditure from the party or an empowerment gained through the Echo. I will concede the point that the writers have been pretty cagey about how LB is specifically referred to in the lore, but it's connection with aether is rather strong. Assuming I play devil's advocate and that this one single time it worked with dynamis (even though I think it shouldn't considering how they've stressed how fundamentally different aether and dynamis are, not to mention that the WoL's being able to channel dynamis on a dime is questionable at best), I'd still need to face the fact as to why all it took was the Scions and maybe some survivors that are aware of our work at the end of the universe was enough Dynamis to repel her assault, but no less than sixteen worlds were unable to have enough will to live to subvert it in the way we have. I understand that those worlds were torn and dealing with horrific events, but has Eorza not been locked in borderline nonstop war at worse and political machinations and assassinations at best? If any form of turmoil somehow demeans the will to survive of an entire species, I can't think of a reason we were spared what all those worlds had to endure.

As you can tell, I'm a bit averse to dynamis and it's existence in the story. I feel like it was a plot device to explain how something so horrific and powerful could subvert masters of aether like the Ancients.

Excuse the tangent, this really took my goat. Haha.

I can agree with that. Dynamis being something we had never heard of til this point made it feel like a plot armor sort of thing so I can understand it. The only reason I even thought about it was because of the scions changing the area and dynamis being used as a "go beyond your limits" sort of thing. Also that it was mentioned that us being sundered and having/using less aether also let use use dynamis but it did still feel like "just picked up this new thing but are still a master" kind of plot device too.

And no problem at all. While I like combat more than story in mmos, the primal and Ancient stuff is something that I do find really interesting. Hopefully more about dynamis will be explained later.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I can agree with that. Dynamis being something we had never heard of til this point made it feel like a plot armor sort of thing so I can understand it. The only reason I even thought about it was because of the scions changing the area and dynamis being used as a "go beyond your limits" sort of thing. Also that it was mentioned that us being sundered and having/using less aether also let use use dynamis but it did still feel like "just picked up this new thing but are still a master" kind of plot device too.

And no problem at all. While I like combat more than story in mmos, the primal and Ancient stuff is something that I do find really interesting. Hopefully more about dynamis will be explained later.

If they introduced Dynamis in previous expansions, hinted it at it, or at least introduced it in a way that we could explore our WoL learning how to channel or identify it, I would be far more amical to the concept. I'm still not a fan, but it IS redeemable. However, in what I assume was a mad dash to tie up lots of loose ends in the story (which I'll admit is no small feat), it kind of feels like they wrote themselves into a corner by making the Ancients such bluntly superior users of Aether.

Therefore, Dynamis. If the later patches where we kick off the new story begin to explain Dynamis in more detail, it might make it easier to coexist with later. Though I don't think I'll ever like how it was used here.

n' I agree. I'm mostly here for the mechanics, but the game sold me on it's story. Especially come Shadowbringers. Which is why I'm pretty critical since we have proof the writers could do so much better.

[Miles064]

If they introduced Dynamis in previous expansions, hinted it at it, or at least introduced it in a way that we could explore our WoL learning how to channel or identify it, I would be far more amical to the concept. I'm still not a fan, but it IS redeemable. However, in what I assume was a mad dash to tie up lots of loose ends in the story (which I'll admit is no small feat), it kind of feels like they wrote themselves into a corner by making the Ancients such bluntly superior users of Aether.

Therefore, Dynamis. If the later patches where we kick off the new story begin to explain Dynamis in more detail, it might make it easier to coexist with later. Though I don't think I'll ever like how it was used here.

n' I agree. I'm mostly here for the mechanics, but the game sold me on it's story. Especially come Shadowbringers. Which is why I'm pretty critical since we have proof the writers could do so much better.

Here's hoping it works out. While I don't see us getting an anime style power reset, our power seems to be getting to crazy levels at this point just based on some of the stuff we have pulled of. The "dynamis" LB definetly being pretty high up there. At the same time endwalker felt pretty slow because it was trying to tie up so many things at once which caused some of it to feel a bit rushed.

That does make me wonder about dynamis and the shards though. The end times didnt do anything to the first so the dynamis wasn't causing issue for them. If we can just use dynamis now, assuming we can get enough of it, will it work on other shard? Still got some shards that are not gone to visit at this point right?

[Anatha]

"Dynamis?" in response to a mandatory TankLB3 to the point that it's even given for free. And it being the only way we can survive. And her being surprised that we survived. Because of the TankLB3. That was described as aether. That she has otherwise identified as Dynamis. That was presumably charged through Power of Friendship. Which is essentially described as influencing Dynamis. Which therefore is responsible completely for our LB3 as there's no Aether that far out.

If you're going to be disingenuous, you could try putting a bit more effort into it because there's no way you're unknowingly ignoring the literal entire situation that birthed that line.

You were being hyperbolic, now you're being rude. You should stop.