Endwalker was "meh" (for reasons other than technical issues)

[KizuyaKatogami]

Having finished it last night, I absolutely loved the expansion.

Being end of days, of course it's going to be gloom and doom, with lots of death. How else could it be anything but?

Tbh though what lots of death was there besides nameless npcs lol. That’s my main problem with this expansion. They’re constantly preaching about making sacrifices, the main theme talks about loss and fire yet none of the main cast has to deal with this, only random npc’s. Kind of makes the so called apocalypse seem less serious when the main cast acts perfectly fine in these dire situations and are completely untouchable.

[Welsper59]

This is the point i was making yeah. They make it seem like it’s purely Dynamis but everything we know contradicts that so i guess we’ll see what the devs officially say if they even address it.

It was implied throughout the EW MSQ in certain key moments that by being sundered, people are more capable of harnessing dynamis and aether simultaneously. They don't rely exclusively on just one. There were some vague parallels to the final story of FFXI when (I think) Hydy was saying that the Light and Darkness must co-exist. That both sources of power must be maintained in order for life to continue on, where dynamis is strengthened through raw emotion and aether through it's understanding. Failing to do so means choosing one over the other and that leads to doom as seen with other civilizations. Harnessing both empowers people to have strength they would not if they simply relied on just one.

[KizuyaKatogami]

It was implied throughout the EW MSQ in certain key moments that by being sundered, people are more capable of harnessing dynamis and aether simultaneously. They don't rely exclusively on just one. There were some vague parallels to the final story of FFXI when (I think) Hydy was saying that the Light and Darkness must co-exist. That both sources of power must be maintained in order for life to continue on, where dynamis is strengthened through raw emotion and aether through it's understanding. Failing to do so means choosing one over the other and that leads to doom as seen with other civilizations. Harnessing both empowers people to have strength they would not if they simply relied on just one.

Yes i know they say that but my point is there’s little reason given why the ancients couldn’t learn to harness both. It feels like they only implemented this to give as reason as to why the unsundered aren’t so superior to the sundered and it just comes as really shoddy.

[Welsper59]

Yes i know they say that but my point is there’s little reason given why the ancients couldn’t learn to harness both. It feels like they only implemented this to give as reason as to why the unsundered aren’t so superior to the sundered and it just comes as really shoddy.

Wasn't it the typical arrogance type of reason? That the ancients deigned themselves to be basically perfect beings, as did the other civilizations. That's been implied since Shadowbringers. You might be right that it can be shoddy, but it is consistent to what was already somewhat known. It's pretty cliche admittedly.

[Theodric]

Wasn't it the typical arrogance type of reason? That the ancients deigned themselves to be basically perfect beings, as did the other civilizations. That's been implied since Shadowbringers. You might be right that it can be shoddy, but it is consistent to what was already somewhat known. It's pretty cliche admittedly.

Arguably? No. Their entire society was built around how to benefit the Star as a whole, rather than to descend into chaos. Furthermore, they debated what course of action to take and valued other perspectives as seen back in Shadowbringers.

Hermes and Venat, however, forced their bizarre and unhinged world views upon everybody else. In Venat's case, she simply wrote off the Ancients as a whole without informing them of the true threat lurking behind the scenes and as it turned out, Zodiark was the one which was holding the Final Days at bay, not Hydaelyn. So if Zodiark has been at full power...it's likely that the Final Days would never have returned.

Venat is little more than an abusive mother who insists that the harm inflicted upon her 'children' is a good thing, though as we now know she was perfectly capable of intervening directly and chose not to. Her faith in the people of the Source was not complete, either - she had an evacuation plan, though one that would have left the First and remaining worlds to be destroyed which is sinister in itself, given that they exist as a consequence of her own actions.

[Anatha]

This is the point i was making yeah. They make it seem like it’s purely Dynamis but everything we know contradicts that so i guess we’ll see what the devs officially say if they even address it.

how is a boss going "dynamis?" after we use LB3 "they make it seem like it's purely dynamis"? That's really hyperbolic of you.

[BrokentoothMarch]

how is a boss going "dynamis?" after we use LB3 "they make it seem like it's purely dynamis"? That's really hyperbolic of you.

"Dynamis?" in response to a mandatory TankLB3 to the point that it's even given for free. And it being the only way we can survive. And her being surprised that we survived. Because of the TankLB3. That was described as aether. That she has otherwise identified as Dynamis. That was presumably charged through Power of Friendship. Which is essentially described as influencing Dynamis. Which therefore is responsible completely for our LB3 as there's no Aether that far out.

If you're going to be disingenuous, you could try putting a bit more effort into it because there's no way you're unknowingly ignoring the literal entire situation that birthed that line.

[Miles064]

"Dynamis?" in response to a mandatory TankLB3 to the point that it's even given for free. And it being the only way we can survive. And her being surprised that we survived. Because of the TankLB3. That was described as aether. That she has otherwise identified as Dynamis. That was presumably charged through Power of Friendship. Which is essentially described as influencing Dynamis. Which therefore is responsible completely for our LB3 as there's no Aether that far out.

If you're going to be disingenuous, you could try putting a bit more effort into it because there's no way you're unknowingly ignoring the literal entire situation that birthed that line.

Was it ever stated how we charge up/ use LB though? I know it is based on aether but that area was filled with dynamis so perhaps she was surprised we LBed with dynamis instead? If we LB by drawing energy from around us it would make sense why it would use aether most of the time.

[Anatha]

"Dynamis?" in response to a mandatory TankLB3 to the point that it's even given for free. And it being the only way we can survive. And her being surprised that we survived. Because of the TankLB3. That was described as aether. That she has otherwise identified as Dynamis. That was presumably charged through Power of Friendship. Which is essentially described as influencing Dynamis. Which therefore is responsible completely for our LB3 as there's no Aether that far out.

If you're going to be disingenuous, you could try putting a bit more effort into it because there's no way you're unknowingly ignoring the literal entire situation that birthed that line.

You were being hyperbolic, now you're being rude. You should stop.

[KizuyaKatogami]

You were being hyperbolic, now you're being rude. You should stop.

Uh technically i was the one supposedly being “hyperbolic.” But basically what that guy said. Maybe you should re-do the fight to understand there’s an entire layer of context you missed. He’s not really being rude, if anyone is you are for being snarky lmao.