Curious about something regarding Emet-Selch ***Endwalker spoilers***

[Mirhd]

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I read that back when it was released, which is why I said "tied"; both their sight was far superior to any other ancient by leaps and bounds, so Hyth being slightly ahead is ultimately a negligible difference. Emet taking the seat was the wiser choice and Hyth knew it. But yeah, still baffles me that people insist Emet didn't know who we once were (or hates us now. what? he's just a grump)... I mean... the game was pretty clear on that point, and he wouldn't have been nearly so disappointed were the opposite the case.

EDIT: I could have been clearer tbf, but I did mention I was low on sleep, so chalk it up to that.

[glitteringcosmos]

So everyone seems to be forgetting the line that Hythlodaeus says to Emet before Kairos takes effect, that maybe they'll get their wiped memories back when they die.

Shadowbringers Emet-Selch IS the Emet-Selch that met us in the past, but he has no memory of meeting us for having had his memories wiped by Kairos. On top of that, he's tempered by Zodiark, who as far as he's concerned is the true savior of the star. He doesn't understand that Venat sundered the star to give us the means to control dynamis. He sees Hydaelyn and all she stands for as the antithesis of what they sacrificed to prevent the final days the first time around. By the time he meets us in the present on the First, he either doesn't make the connection that we're the shards of Azem, or refuses to believe it. Or both, given his reaction in the Dying Gasp when we're rejoined with Ardbert's shard.

It's not until he dies that he and Hythlodaeus get their memories back, and with them, the understanding of why Venat did what she did, and who and what we are and what we've been through. THAT is why he does what he does when summoned back on Ultima Thule.

[Mirhd]

So everyone seems to be forgetting the line that Hythlodaeus says to Emet before Kairos takes effect, that maybe they'll get their wiped memories back when they die.

Shadowbringers Emet-Selch IS the Emet-Selch that met us in the past, but he has no memory of meeting us for having had his memories wiped by Kairos. On top of that, he's tempered by Zodiark, who as far as he's concerned is the true savior of the star. He doesn't understand that Venat sundered the star to give us the means to control dynamis. He sees Hydaelyn and all she stands for as the antithesis of what they sacrificed to prevent the final days the first time around. By the time he meets us in the present on the First, he either doesn't make the connection that we're the shards of Azem, or refuses to believe it. Or both, given his reaction in the Dying Gasp when we're rejoined with Ardbert's shard.

It's not until he dies that he and Hythlodaeus get their memories back, and with them, the understanding of why Venat did what she did, and who and what we are and what we've been through. THAT is why he does what he does when summoned back on Ultima Thule.

Who it "everyone" in this context, because the memory erasure was addressed. Even refereed to it in my post. Again, he did not remember what happened, but he still could see we were the sundered Azem (hence his reactions/intent to test us). Kiros doesn't make him (or Hyth)forget a natural, inborn ability, and it certainly didn't make him forget the colour of Azem's (our) soul. I feel like you're forgetting that Emet, like Hythlodaeus, can distinguish the different colours of individual souls. For goodness sake, when you first arrive in Elpis they immediately think you're a creation of Azem's that has a soul because the colour is nearly identical to hers/his. Emet just denies it in his typical grumpy way, but he's not an idiot. All he and Hyth forgot was what happened from the moment they met the sundered Azem up til what happens at the facility. They didn't forget what Azem's soul looks like. Good grief.

[Jennah]

What I find especially odd, is that its phrased that the memories will return "in the Underworld"
Remind me again what Hades is the master of?

[Vahlnir]

More important why does he look like Xehanort?

This was his original form, but yeah he definitely looked like young Xehanort. lol He had the body of Solus to use (as an Ascian) when we first met him in Shadowbringers, and extras made and in storage just in case something happened to his form at any given time, which we saw when Varis had enough of his crap at one point and shot him dead. Emet-Selch returned seconds later with a new body.

[Rokke]

the loporits said "if you summon such enormously powerful creature sbeing tempered is just a small "tug"" then that isnt the "tempered" we are imagining from what we ve seen the primals or towers do to the ones around them

Lorporits are translated weird in english, they're very punny and speak in a way thats kinda sarcasm lite. Other languages are more explicit that primals on the tier of Zodiark will effect you and are dangerous to summon.

[Zoliru]

I would argue it is just the writer wanting to give a happy ending.
I dont believe the real Emet-Selch would just quit and abandon his objective of bringing back the original and whole and better civilization because one out of the 14 parodies of existence did something cool once, the way he acts at the end just felt of but that is the issue with such antagonists, you cant satisfy everyone, only one person wins, one loses, so trying to make a situation where everyone wins is just kinda wishful writing.


I can absolutely understand seeing the WoL as someone who MIGHT have a chance in this new world and somewhat respecting them but not that he would accept that the entire ORIGINAL civilization is now dead and gone, especially when it is absolutely possible to still bring it back via the rejoinings.

Honestly I felt we would have achieved better results if we joined him back in shadowbringers, even made a thread discussing that very topic.

[Vahlnir]

I would argue it is just the writer wanting to give a happy ending.
I dont believe the real Emet-Selch would just quit and abandon his objective of bringing back the original and whole and better civilization because one out of the 14 parodies of existence did something cool once, the way he acts at the end just felt of but that is the issue with such antagonists, you cant satisfy everyone, only one person wins, one loses, so trying to make a situation where everyone wins is just kinda wishful writing.


I can absolutely understand seeing the WoL as someone who MIGHT have a chance in this new world and somewhat respecting them but not that he would accept that the entire ORIGINAL civilization is now dead and gone, especially when it is absolutely possible to still bring it back via the rejoinings.

Honestly I felt we would have achieved better results if we joined him back in shadowbringers, even made a thread discussing that very topic.

Prior to being beaten you are right, he wouldn't have given up on his goal. But we proved ourselves worthy in his eyes. "Remember us. Remember that we once lived" he said. And despite still being very salty about it, he has comes to terms with the fact that Amaurot's time is over, and the star's fate is no longer in his hands. He even gives us a smile before departing, letting us know he is okay with that. I think it was more of a show of respect though for his former adversary, as if he was saying "I hate that I lost, but well played".

[FusiaRain]

Emet does still hate us, and says he wants nothing to do with us.

If anything, I imagine him saving us twice, once against Elidibus and second time helping us at Ultima Thule is just his ways of making sure the world goes on. Not letting Elidibus or Meteon destroy it.

Eh Emet doesnt hate us if anything he respects us basically the same as an old guy treats a younger person.

Emet is just grumpy, if anything he is mad at himself for failing to save his people. The only one i think has any hate for us is amons .

If you look at it closely Emet is a good guy, just like hades was in greek mythology. The proplem is with how they are forced to act/their responsibilitys they are seen as villians/bad people.

Emet desevered a happy endimg due the fact he honestly was heroic both past/present timelines. He just was broken in the present