*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[Nothv13]

But you forget two major things.

Like someone else mentioned, Aether is more powerful, if used appropriately and creatively it could be of use against dynamis, even as a shield, after all Dynamis was useless against the ancients themselves.

More importantly, they had the power of literal creation, if it was on me, I would begin by creating more entelecheias with far fewer abilities(to be safe) just to start experimenting and understanding better how dynamis works slowly and what creations to create in order to take advantage of it without backfiring.

It took them sacrificing half their population to essentially create something to help the shield existing on the planet already that was on the other side of the universe from Ultima Thule. Hate to see how many they'd have to sacrifice to create shields themselves to be able to last in Ultima Thule itself. They had an entelechy for only they know how long with the Elpis flower and it took an unknown amount of time for Hermes to create the Meteion before the memory wipe. Without the memory wipe of the time loop Hermes would have been the psycho nut he became and been largely useless and no one but him knew any remote way to create entelechies. Zodiark was the culmination of what they knew about Dynamis and how to stop it

[KikiTia]

Venat sundered the world so that we could fight against Meteion. The Ancients can't manipulate dynamis because they are so rich in aether, but we are diluted so we stand a fighting chance. Meteion also was only getting stronger over time, it was only a matter of time before she'd be able to overpower Zodiark and bring back the Final Days, this time with no hope of a solution. No I don't think joining Emet would've been a better plan, not least of all because I'd have to say goodbye to Ishgard and the First.

[Selvokaz]

Continuously sacrificing beings to feed Zodiac is in and of itself an evil and hostile act something that the ancients would have been highly against, which means they would have been betraying their own tenents.

[SquigglesMajor]

no. they couldnt have succeeded because races with strong aether wouldn't have been able to interact with dynamos. Which is one of the reasons why venat did what she did.

They absolutely could have. There is nothing to even suggest that dynamis is required. We only ended up using dynamis in one very specific way and entirely by accident. They never showed why we couldn't defeat her as aetherial beings. Dynamis isn't used in our fight against the Endsinger either. In fact we know that aether actively opposes and cancels out dynamis. Hence why Zodirak is the only thing stopping her from killing us before. That whole thing about dynamis being necessary for humanity to survive is complete and total bullshit.

[sidurgu-12]

They absolutely could have. There is nothing to even suggest that dynamis is required. We only ended up using dynamis in one very specific way and entirely by accident. They never showed why we couldn't defeat her as aetherial beings. Dynamis isn't used in our fight against the Endsinger either. In fact we know that aether actively opposes and cancels out dynamis. Hence why Zodirak is the only thing stopping her from killing us before. That whole thing about dynamis being necessary for humanity to survive is complete and total bullshit.

1) the game itself stated that due to their aether being so dense the ancients couldnt Interact with ultima thul.
2) 75% of all remaining ancients being sacrificed resulted in an aether shield and they were on the brink of total collapse afterwards.
3)dynamis can cancel out aether just as aether can cancel out dynamis.
4)we only survived endsinger because of a dynamis shield.

That whole thing about dynamis being necessary for humanity to survive is complete and total bullshit.

this is 100% ignoring the story.

[Cleretic]

They absolutely could have. There is nothing to even suggest that dynamis is required. We only ended up using dynamis in one very specific way and entirely by accident. They never showed why we couldn't defeat her as aetherial beings. Dynamis isn't used in our fight against the Endsinger either. In fact we know that aether actively opposes and cancels out dynamis. Hence why Zodirak is the only thing stopping her from killing us before. That whole thing about dynamis being necessary for humanity to survive is complete and total bullshit.

Before Zodiark, the Ancients were basically defenseless against the End of Days specifically because of an inability to interact with dynamis. Because they couldn't turn that energy in their favor, it meant that everything they created were sitting ducks prime for dynamis corruption--and the Ancients do a lot of creating. So even with the Ancients not knowing what would await them if they pursued Meteion, it was a fair assumption that just turning up as Ancients would go poorly.

Of course, when we went to Ultima Thule, we learned that assumption was very much correct, because it turns out the only means of survival and traversal was through dynamis manipulation. First Thancred making the space actually baseline habitable, and then by interacting with Ultima Thule's inhabitants to counteract their corrupt dynamis preventing further traversal. Of course, it's not just dynamis manipulation that was needed, but also personal experience to speak from, but the former was just as required as the latter.

Dynamis was literally mandatory for humanity to fight Meteion and truly stop the End of Days rather than just blocking it. The question of whether fighting Meteion at all was necessary after Zodiark got put up is still an open one, but a certain Fancy Daniel forced the issue there.

[sidurgu-12]

Before Zodiark, the Ancients were basically defenseless against the End of Days specifically because of an inability to interact with dynamis. Because they couldn't turn that energy in their favor, it meant that everything they created were sitting ducks prime for dynamis corruption--and the Ancients do a lot of creating. So even with the Ancients not knowing what would await them if they pursued Meteion, it was a fair assumption that just turning up as Ancients would go poorly.

Of course, when we went to Ultima Thule, we learned that assumption was very much correct, because it turns out the only means of survival and traversal was through dynamis manipulation. First Thancred making the space actually baseline habitable, and then by interacting with Ultima Thule's inhabitants to counteract their corrupt dynamis preventing further traversal. Of course, it's not just dynamis manipulation that was needed, but also personal experience to speak from, but the former was just as required as the latter.

Dynamis was literally mandatory for humanity to fight Meteion and truly stop the End of Days rather than just blocking it. The question of whether fighting Meteion at all was necessary after Zodiark got put up is still an open one, but a certain Fancy Daniel forced the issue there.

theres also the fact that the meteia were speeding up the heat death of the universe so even if they just hid behind zodiark the universe would end instead.

[Cleretic]

No, Emet-Selch was a terrible person with a bad plan. Not only would you have ended up with a worse world, you would've ended up with one that had no hope of stopping the End of Days.

[sidurgu-12]

No, Emet-Selch was a terrible person with a bad plan. Not only would you have ended up with a worse world, you would've ended up with one that had no hope of stopping the End of Days.

funny thing is

emet even admits it was a horrible plan that would never bring back what was lost.

[HappyHubris]

No, Emet-Selch was a terrible person with a bad plan. Not only would you have ended up with a worse world, you would've ended up with one that had no hope of stopping the End of Days.

Emet's plans was still better than Venat's, which was too give up and evacuate only one sundered shard.