*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[Zoliru]

After all we learned in Endwalker I honestly feel joining Emet Selch would have resulted in a far better result.


We learned a lot of things in endwalker, dispelled many false beliefs about Zodiarc and the Ascians.


-We learn that summoning being at the level of Zodiarc does not mean tempering similar to eorzean primals, that was simply an addition to the summoning spell, for beings such as zordiarc you still feel a "tug" which can be described as a form of tempering but nothing like what we expect from the average tempered individual, Emet Selch himself was evidence of that after all since shb.

-Zodiarc was not an evil cunning manipulative entity, like all primals he was a tool serving a function, most should have known that since Shb. Meaning as long as he existed, he would have kept the celestial currents going protecting eithyris from the song of oblivion giving the convocation enough time to figure out what to do.

-The souls that were sacrificed to summon Zodiarc where still around, within Zodiarc, so we know absolutely know Zodiarc could bring them back if additional sacrifices were given. And then the WoL goes in and kills them all by killing Zodiarc (The good guy btw)

-We know that the concept of dynamis already existed even though not as widely known, and they also knew that the events of the final days first appeared in areas where the celestial currents were weakest, given time it only makes sense it would have been figured out.

So by joining Emet Selch and rejoining all the shards Zodiarc would have been unleashed, as long as he lived the celestial currents would keep running and keep Eithyris protected.
Hydaelin would be unable to win and I believe since she still cared, she would try to explain the nature of the threat before her demise, leaving the rest to you and Emet with Zodiarc as our available tool.

We could have brought back the original world after Meiteion was dealt with, the objectively better world with beings who literally wield the power of creation and are focusing on creating a better world.



Still, I do feel the problem itself could have been avoided had Venat reminded Emet Selch of what happened, just imagine that situation.
They knew what caused the final days, not only a more specific solution could have been created by finding a way to quicken the celestial currents (Since zodiarc was summoned to fix a problem they couldnt figure out) but even with Zodiarc, his existence would allow for many many years to figure out a solution, and with the very power of creation and a huge list of creative concepts it is more than likely that a solution would have been figured out.

Though at the same time I do understand Venat's point, she show how weak and reliant the ancients had become on their powers, and how a simple tragedy broke them. Understandably repulsive.
But killing them off was not the right solution, not only she could have used that as a lesson for a better future where a degree of suffering is ever present, likely through the creation of a concept with such a purpose, it would have strengthened and made eithyris better which was the core value of Ascians.

Many ancients might have fallen to true despair and become paralyzed, Emet selch and most of the convocation were clearly not like that, the Ascians even after knowing "True despair" clearly were able to keep going and focus on whatever needs to be done to bring back the original world, the better world. In short, Hades did not deserve this!

[sidurgu-12]

no. they couldnt have succeeded because races with strong aether wouldn't have been able to interact with dynamos. Which is one of the reasons why venat did what she did.

[Cleretic]

No, Emet-Selch was a terrible person with a bad plan. Not only would you have ended up with a worse world, you would've ended up with one that had no hope of stopping the End of Days.

[sidurgu-12]

No, Emet-Selch was a terrible person with a bad plan. Not only would you have ended up with a worse world, you would've ended up with one that had no hope of stopping the End of Days.

funny thing is

emet even admits it was a horrible plan that would never bring back what was lost.

[Alenore]

no. they couldnt have succeeded because races with strong aether wouldn't have been able to interact with dynamos. Which is one of the reasons why venat did what she did.

And yet, Aether is supposed to be much more powerful than Dynamis. Had they known Meteion existed, Dynamis being comparatively weak against Aether, they could have blasted her to oblivion. We literally managed to travel to the end of the universe, so I can't believe they couldn't have, given the time, and the much more bountiful aether they had compared to us.

Venat, in the end, chose the Sundering in part because we'd need to interact with Dynamis yes, but also to avoid the shortcomings of their brethrens wanting to just shield themselves in their bubble and hide and live their perfect lives again.

[sidurgu-12]

And yet, Aether is supposed to be much more powerful than Dynamis. Had they known Meteion existed, Dynamis being comparatively weak against Aether, they could have blasted her to oblivion. We literally managed to travel to the end of the universe, so I can't believe they couldn't have, given the time, and the much more bountiful aether they had compared to us.

Venat, in the end, chose the Sundering in part because we'd need to interact with Dynamis yes, but also to avoid the shortcomings of their brethrens wanting to just shield themselves in their bubble and hide and live their perfect lives again.

it works both ways-too much aether drowns out dynamis and too much dynamis drowns out aether. the problem is meteion had 14 or 15 planets worth of dynamis.

[RicaRuin]

In short:
No, because supporting genocide is still very bad.

[HyoMinPark]

Venat, in the end, chose the Sundering in part because we'd need to interact with Dynamis yes, but also to avoid the shortcomings of their brethrens wanting to just shield themselves in their bubble and hide and live their perfect lives again.

You actually see the perfection that Emet-Selch has always boasted about leading to the downfall of all the civilizations Meteion and her sisters encountered during their journey. The Omicrons and Ea specifically sought to shed everything that even made them human to the point that their civilizations eventually stagnated, and they were left with no fulfillment. Each civilization she mentioned spoke of trying to eradicate the “negative” aspects of life that the Amaroutines wanted to completely live in blissful ignorance in.

[Cleretic]

In short:
No, because supporting genocide is still very bad.

I'm surprised how many times this isn't a debate-ender with Emet-Selch, honestly. Like, it should be, and yet!

[Zoliru]

no. they couldnt have succeeded because races with strong aether wouldn't have been able to interact with dynamos. Which is one of the reasons why venat did what she did.

But you forget two major things.

Like someone else mentioned, Aether is more powerful, if used appropriately and creatively it could be of use against dynamis, even as a shield, after all Dynamis was useless against the ancients themselves.

More importantly, they had the power of literal creation, if it was on me, I would begin by creating more entelecheias with far fewer abilities(to be safe) just to start experimenting and understanding better how dynamis works slowly and what creations to create in order to take advantage of it without backfiring.

Solutions always exist for the ones who have nigh infinite amount of time and hold the power of creation at hand, you only need to be creative.
They already knew of Dynamis, even if Venat never told the truth, it would be something that would be figured out.

In short:
No, because supporting genocide is still very bad.

I always judge things based on actions, consequences and results, someone telling me something is "bad" never really was relevant.