*Spoilers* Major Hydaelyn/Timeline question

[Lium]

After the fight with Hydaelyn we are given the dialogue option to say “We will move forward, Venat.” At which point, she cries. I don’t know if she has the exact same reaction if you choose “Thank you, Hydaelyn.” But I took it as she remembered us from Elpis.

Also, she mentions at one point that their timelines - past and present - are in conjunction.

[QT_Melon]

Which even then makes sense. Every time we've gone back returned through time it has been a stable time loop and had to happen. The alternate timeline? It was a one way trip, G'raha was never going back, so the normal rules we saw to date did not apply for that one.

Well, is time moving forward in our portal to Elpis - considering we can go back there? Emet's magic has allowed us to keep a form but what IS going on time wise?

[EaraGrace]

The point of highlighting Argos’ feelings on the moon was to explicitly show we had passed the test in Elpis, thus were we there. This is pretty explicit.

[QT_Melon]

The point of highlighting Argos’ feelings on the moon was to explicitly show we had passed the test in Elpis, thus were we there. This is pretty explicit.

I am kinda mixed on that. As since dogs are usually a "6th sense" kind of wonder. What I mean is we are the soul of Azem, and while I am not expecting a magical doggo to read souls as well - we don't know for sure if Argos had also seen Azem, or other plausible reasons Argos was not as wary, especially since he let the Scions ride him without such fuss.

That said, I do absolutely believe writing wise - that was intended for us to deduce.

[Cleretic]

After the fight with Hydaelyn we are given the dialogue option to say “We will move forward, Venat.” At which point, she cries. I don’t know if she has the exact same reaction if you choose “Thank you, Hydaelyn.” But I took it as she remembered us from Elpis.

Also, she mentions at one point that their timelines - past and present - are in conjunction.

I actually took that timeline comment not to mean 'time travel happened and has resolved things', but more 'both your society and mine were facing the same challenges, and we can learn from each other'.

I am kinda mixed on that. As since dogs are usually a "6th sense" kind of wonder. What I mean is we are the soul of Azem, and while I am not expecting a magical doggo to read souls as well - we don't know for sure if Argos had also seen Azem, or other plausible reasons Argos was not as wary, especially since he let the Scions ride him without such fuss.

That said, I do absolutely believe writing wise - that was intended for us to deduce.

And Elpis actually proves to us this isn't the case, because when we first meet him then, Argos is leery of us and we need to gain his trust before he'll let us ride him. So he's trusting of us on Mare Lamentorum because he remembers trusting us in Elpis.

[QT_Melon]

And Elpis actually proves to us this isn't the case, because when we first meet him then, Argos is leery of us and we need to gain his trust before he'll let us ride him. So he's trusting of us on Mare Lamentorum because he remembers trusting us in Elpis.

Yes, when WE first meet him and we don't know IF/WHEN Argos met Azem. That's my point. Correlation is not causation still.


As you skip over the part of trusting of the Scions too. There was no hesitation like he did with us in Elpis and this is Venat's familiar. So what sense does it make?

[RyuDragnier]

Yes, when WE first meet him and we don't know IF/WHEN Argos met Azem. That's my point. Correlation is not causation still.


As you skip over the part of trusting of the Scions too. There was no hesitation like he did with us in Elpis and this is Venat's familiar. So what sense does it make?

Since Venat mentioned she was already retired, Argos already met Azem at that point, since that meant she had to hand over the seat and, like us, probably fought him in 1v1 combat to determine whether or not he was worthy of the seat. In the case of Argos allowing Thancred, Urianger, and Y'shtola on, that could simply be because of Argos trusting in the WoL, feeling they wouldn't have taken the others with them if the WoL didn't trust them.

[EdwinLi]

Since Venat mentioned she was already retired, Argos already met Azem at that point, since that meant she had to hand over the seat and, like us, probably fought him in 1v1 combat to determine whether or not he was worthy of the seat. In the case of Argos allowing Thancred, Urianger, and Y'shtola on, that could simply be because of Argos trusting in the WoL, feeling they wouldn't have taken the others with them if the WoL didn't trust them.

Well the 1v1 part did happen as Venat said before she passed on the seat she literally put Azem through a 1v1 combat trial to see if he/she will be ready for the seat of Azem.

Though this does bring in what the role of Azem is being a person willing to take direct action to resolve issues. Venat herself was basically like our WoL when it comes to dealing with issues which lead her to finding Azem and choosing him/her due how Azem tend to act the same way she does despite his/her reasons.

[QT_Melon]

Since Venat mentioned she was already retired, Argos already met Azem at that point, since that meant she had to hand over the seat and, like us, probably fought him in 1v1 combat to determine whether or not he was worthy of the seat. In the case of Argos allowing Thancred, Urianger, and Y'shtola on, that could simply be because of Argos trusting in the WoL, feeling they wouldn't have taken the others with them if the WoL didn't trust them.

Venat trusted WoL so Argos should have trusted us.

Her retirement doesn't indicate for sure Argos met Azem it just implies it was possible.

Again Correlation not Causation.

[RyuDragnier]

Venat trusted WoL so Argos should have trusted us.

Her retirement doesn't indicate for sure Argos met Azem it just implies it was possible.

Again Correlation not Causation.

She outright mentions that Argos won't trust us unless we beat her in a 1v1. Yet she already had a 1v1 with Azem to pass on the Seat. Thus Argos should have already trusted us, but it didn't. Meaning there's no way in hell present Argos could have trusted us unless we actually did that 1v1 back in Elpis in the past.