Concrete proof finally provided that the 2002 error has NOTHING is server side issue

[lezard21]

Guess what dude: I agree with this issue and still think you're a Karen because of how you phrase your arguments and the measures you suggest people take. Being right about one thing and being a whiny baby are not mutually exclusive.

First off, the way I phrase my arguments is because I'm not a native speaker. I apologise if you take offense at the way I say things, but understand not everyone on these forums is a native speaker.
Second, what measures have I suggested people take? I have suggested measures SE should take because this is a SE problem, not a user problem. The users are the ones being affected.
Keep the insults coming though.

[Eriane_Elis]

I was defending SE early on but this is shameful especially since Yoshi-P has been going on record blaming consumers internet connection.

I've been with the game since 1.0 and have seen ups and downs but haven't seen Yoshi-P straight up misdirect like this. I'm also concerned that Square-Enix's angle seems to be to just pray the issue goes away.

It may very well be the user's internet and not them. I'm sure they know better about the situation than we do. However, I don't think that people should lose their session entirely (auto-retry for example) but we don't really know how things work and it could potentially cause severe desync and other network related issues. They have at least allowed people to log back in and resume their queue but it doesn't always work yet. To be honest, these things aren't easy to understand or fix and it's easier to be an armchair developer and think "all they need to do is this" to fix it but the reality is always going to be complicated.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

I was defending SE early on but this is shameful especially since Yoshi-P has been going on record blaming consumers internet connection.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here and assume that he was wrong as opposed to lying.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

After being called a Karen, insulted and threated

Ok Karen Calm down....Just because you feel good about yourself doesnt mean you get to oversell things.
Besides, you were called a Karen for your attitude, not for addressing an issue everyone has faced. Some worse then others.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...9264ac9f24986f

That quote of yours does not 100% Directly Blame peoples Internet connections. But suggests that Internet Connections also effect the issue.
Client resets are also a result of Packet Loss if Im remembering that correctly, which is also effected by your internet .
So its not a Complete BLAME of my internet or your internet or somebody else internet.

Also, reading the Analysis (Or what I can personally understand) there is a claim that every 15 minutes the Error 2002 happens mid-queue and just randomly kicks you off......I can say this is false, or this might be something that effects some people. Because I time how long it takes for me to get on, and I do not face a Random Kickoff every 15 minutes. Not even on release when things were at their worse.

[Lunalepsy]

Someone on reddit was nice enough to do a full technical analysis of the cause of the 2002 error and JUST LIKE everyone has been saying.

The server is resetting you client every 15 minutes and if it desyncs during this client reset it crashes the client.

This has nothing to do with your internet but an internal server side check done once that causes you client to crash.

Fix this now and stop blaming your consumers for internal coding issues.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0...jk/mobilebasic

Source: reddit user u/pitiful-marzipan

Interesting link.

[Shougun]

I could see a few situations,
a. The link is wrong (though it seemed informative so I'm not immediately for that, and it seems right... Because I've had games survive worse on less*, the queue seems aggressively sensitive)

b. Someone informed Yoshida wrong

c. They know the reason but it is providing relief and so they were trying to hide it, as they don't want the queue to be even longer, or causing other instability issues, due to the queue not randomly dropping people

d. A little bit out of multiple options lol, maybe some of what said is true but there are other issues too.

End of day it is certainly disheartening and annoying to wait in a long line and get kicked out, feeling like you have to nurse the queue and can't walk away else hours will be lost, but even if you nurse the queue you have a chance all is for naught if you get the error too many times and it forgets your place in line. I've been lucky and rarely get the issue, am thankful for that - I have been able to play fairly consistently. I feel for those who haven been unlucky.

Seems like blizzard is doing worse and worse, can we have their servers now? Lol XD

*Worse on less not as in SE's situation with popular game not enough servers, I mean much worse internet quality connecting to do activities. Often games, programs, whatever, can save themselves from a full hard crash. If the internet did fail to pass information back to the servers, why couldn't it attempt to repair that relationship? And if it does already... shouldn't it be possible to make it try harder? lol. I don't envy situation or those having to working on this right now though, best options seem not possible (can't easily buy more hardware) and the other solutions are probably dangerous enough you don't want to just whip them out without making sure they wont cause other catastrophic issues (like if you followed New World unfortunately a few quick fix solutions to issues created much larger problems later).

[RyuDragnier]

Hasn't been happening on PS4, or at least to me. I got one crash after waiting an hour, immediately logged back in, and was back in my place in queue for another 30 minutes before I actually got in earlier today.

[Hasrat]

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here and assume that he was wrong as opposed to lying.

Additional consideration: player load has literally never been this high. Could as easily be a case of "we never knew this was a problem because it's never come up before."

I'd feel more confident in this assumption if they were to address it with intent to fix, tho.

[Tsukino]

Additional consideration: player load has literally never been this high. Could as easily be a case of "we never knew this was a problem because it's never come up before."

I'd feel more confident in this assumption if they were to address it with intent to fix, tho.

We get the exact same 5006 and 2002 errors every expansion. They've closed the client instead of reconnecting every time. The queue itself has never been this bad before, but the errors and the bad software design have always been there.

They only feel like they have to respond to it because the interest is so high that they're getting killed in the media about it this time.

[Macleod]

Also, reading the Analysis (Or what I can personally understand) there is a claim that every 15 minutes the Error 2002 happens mid-queue and just randomly kicks you off......I can say this is false, or this might be something that effects some people. Because I time how long it takes for me to get on, and I do not face a Random Kickoff every 15 minutes. Not even on release when things were at their worse.

It's not saying you get kicked off every 15 minutes, it's saying you have a CHANCE of getting kicked off every 15 minutes if you fail to re-establish the connection in their convoluted queue system that force disconnects you and attempts to reconnect in the background. You won't know it failed until you get Error 2002. If you successfully reconnected, you'll never know it happened. This is something the queue should not be doing, we're already connected and in queue...keep us connected.