I'm rooting for WoW

[Ronduwil]

You are a fool if you don't think FF14 players in raiding don't do this as well.

The biggest difference is how different the TOS is and how its enforced, the FF14 playerbase is known to be trigger happy with reports for even minor things.

The difference is that you have many more ways to get a set of good end game gear in FFXIV without having to set foot in one of those raids that you're talking about. There is no incentive to exclude people from alliance raids or even leveling dungeons in the roulette. Imagine being stuck in the gear that you got from finishing the MSQ unless you're willing to repeatedly run high end content (10 runs per week to unlock three chances at loot) that you're not even allowed to queue for. I know some players in all games will always be elitist, and those are the players who tend to gravitate towards the extreme raids. However, in FFXIV, the rewards for behaving that way don't go beyond exclusive mounts, glamours, and titles. WoW, on the other hand, has built their entire endgame around the elitist culture.

[Alxyzntlct]

The difference is that you have many more ways to get a set of good end game gear in FFXIV without having to set foot in one of those raids that you're talking about. There is no incentive to exclude people from alliance raids or even leveling dungeons in the roulette. Imagine being stuck in the gear that you got from finishing the MSQ unless you're willing to repeatedly run high end content (10 runs per week to unlock three chances at loot) that you're not even allowed to queue for. I know some players in all games will always be elitist, and those are the players who tend to gravitate towards the extreme raids. However, in FFXIV, the rewards for behaving that way don't go beyond exclusive mounts, glamours, and titles. WoW, on the other hand, has built their entire endgame around the elitist culture.

And this is exactly why I dropped WoW even before all of the scandals hit the news; the endgame culture, in both raids and dungeons, was toxically insane and not even remotely worth putting up with. Most of everything about FFXIV has been a complete breath of fresh air (the only exception at this point being actually getting into the game, lol)

[aveyond-dreams]

Forum join dates are not the same as a user's starting date.

That being said I do not see WoW fixing it's multisystemic situational failures anytime soon. I certainly don't mind having more people to play with in the actual game itself-but these login queues are just too demanding.

[Silpher]

I hope wow gets better. Shadowlands permenantly lost me forever. But when wow is good ffxiv is challenged to keep up, and that makes FF better.

What I don't want is for wow to die and FF to become what wow is atm. Which is a bunch of devs with a Rockstar mentality who can do no wrong.

Tbh the wow I love is long since dead, and it's soul desecrated. But if it's rise can make ffxiv push the limits then I'm all for it.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

[Darksummoner]

To get good and take all their players back.

I'm not even kidding

Not to be rude, but it is a little too late. I have fallen in love with FFXIV and I love my Free company. The game is cool and I really like it. I just have a HUGE ISSUE with SE and "Error 2002" stuff. other then that I am madly in love with FF.

I have no plans what so ever to return to the booty grabbers and give them my money. They need to be taught a hard lesson in treating their customers with dignity as well as their employees. They can go to hell for all I care.

[Anemic]

Not to be rude, but it is a little too late. I have fallen in love with FFXIV and I love my Free company. The game is cool and I really like it. I just have a HUGE ISSUE with SE and "Error 2002" stuff. other then that I am madly in love with FF.

I have no plans what so ever to return to the booty grabbers and give them my money. They need to be taught a hard lesson in treating their customers with dignity as well as their employees. They can go to hell for all I care.

100% agree with this.

[Hysorn]

Yeah... I'll be completely real with you, it looks like the people still enjoying WoW never left it to begin with, there's no way someone plays all the way through Endwalker and go "Yeah, WoW's a better game for sure".

[Caladir]

."... there's no way someone plays all the way through Endwalker and go "Yeah, WoW's a better game for sure".

It's possible... if they have really bad taste!

[Minsue]

Man these SE white knights ARE fast! that wasn't even 5 mins

Guys he is a troll looking for attention report and move on.