I'm rooting for WoW

[Johners]

You are not a problem. There were indeed some... shall we say, surprises when the WOW players arrived. Maybe it's just my usual lack of luck, but a lot more dps that were going to pull, and some pretty bad rushes that ended in disaster (and yes, they were WOW players: I was asking in a humorous way).

In short: sometimes different playing habits, but nothing dramatic when everyone agrees to put some effort.

Otherwise, it's obvious that it's a pleasure to see the current popularity of FFXIV. So it's nice to welcome you. In the best of worlds, it will wake up Blizzard and remind them of the beautiful game they have in their hands - so they'll stop considering it as a farm cow, without any consideration for its qualities.

I made the mistake of engaging with this thread after reading the title but as much as I've been enjoying FFXIV since I started playing, and I've taken the effort to learn and understand the game, the community is just as toxic in both games. Some of it is down to play style clashes due to differences between the games and in other situations is just one portion of the FFXIV community trying to gatekeeper the game by their intended play style. Typically this groups up around the use of mods (addons in WoW terminology) like Cactbot.

For what it's worth, the overall community experience isn't any better or worse in my opinion, it's just different. The fundamental factor for me was the greater variety in things to do and those things also being enjoyable. I can filter out parts of the wider community clowning themselves was their toxic gatekeeping in the same way that I did the same in WoW.

[Merrigan]

I made the mistake of engaging with this thread after reading the title but as much as I've been enjoying FFXIV since I started playing, and I've taken the effort to learn and understand the game, the community is just as toxic in both games. Some of it is down to play style clashes due to differences between the games and in other situations is just one portion of the FFXIV community trying to gatekeeper the game by their intended play style. Typically this groups up around the use of mods (addons in WoW terminology) like Cactbot.

For what it's worth, the overall community experience isn't any better or worse in my opinion, it's just different. The fundamental factor for me was the greater variety in things to do and those things also being enjoyable. I can filter out parts of the wider community clowning themselves was their toxic gatekeeping in the same way that I did the same in WoW.

I disagree.

Are there any toxicity issues on FF? Of course there are. Just yesterday I came across a dungeon where the tank and heal were spending their time trying to kick each other because of a failed first pull (sigh).

On the other hand, some common behaviors on WOW are very rare on FF. Typical example: on FF, you can do PU instances without disband at all. It usually takes 3-4 failures before people start leaving. On WOW, one wipe can be enough to make everyone leave... Condemning you to wait miserably for other players to arrive.

And I'm not even talking about the reception of new players. I have a big grudge against the WOW community for this: I tried to get some of my friends in, and they ended up leaving because of the insults they were getting in the dungeon due to their lack of experience.

Not to say that FF is a nirvana (I reserve that title for LOTRO): after playing both games for years, for me there is no doubt which one is more welcoming between the two.

(Sorry for the potential mistakes, not a native).

[EzekielBook]

I'm doing my part! I didn't login for all of last week - I even missed collecting my Jumbo Cactpot ticket.

[juicybug]

WoW made a lot of poor decisions and will keep doing so (and maybe one day they'll realize their mistakes) and once the sting of that wears off - the players that left will go back to it for a time and then when their needs are not met the nostalgia wears off fast, and they'll find something better (not necessarily FF).

I played WoW for about 2 months but my experience was mostly positive, play wise. I didn't mind the ps1-early ps2 era graphics, and I liked the environments and the large amount of tamable creatures for hunters. But the community wasn't overly friendly to new players AT ALL, so- I left.

I am a gw2 refugee and in the content lull after the last SHB content dropped until EW release I went back to gw2 (for about a week total) after being absent from the game for 2 years, but I didn't know anyone anymore + the game just didn't feel right, like it had lost direction. I hate seeing a game that I used to LOVE begin to kill itself due to poor decisions and lack of good updates. I imagine long time wow players feel similar. Once the nostalgia wears off, it gets easier to say goodbye for the long haul.

[Naiw]

Thing is WoW will take back all players if Blizzard gets their act together and actually give players what they want for once. Blizzard never failed this badly at a product launch.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Would love wow to become a great game. I always liked the feral druid when I tried the game but the bugs, unwelcoming playerbase and disgusting company decisions put me off. I avoid anything activision blizzard. I always enjoy classed that let me shapeshift! It's the one thing I wish ffxiv had!

[JanVanding]

To get good and take all their players back.

I'm not even kidding

Where is Mankirks wife you ask?

I dunno probably in the Cosby suite.

[Vexander]

I also root for WoW.

FFXIV is great, and I don't think that's going to change except for being greater still as time goes by. That said, its sad to see how far WoW and Blizzard have fallen. I know a lot of players stubbornly sticking to it for one reason or another. I hope it gets better for their sake, and I hope Blizzard as a company changes for the better for the sake of it's developers and other employees.

[JohncarterIx]

Keep rooting but stick a fork in it its dead BLIZZARD TO SHUT DOWN IN 2022 AND COME BACK AS INSIGHT

[JohncarterIx]

Wow in 2022 is no more wow its insight