Tank healing is to high

[Kalaam]

"Not but you see it's dungeon content so it doesn't count ! Only savage raids are where it matters see ! Dungeons aren't real, nobody plays them !"

[Veranolth]

"Not but you see it's dungeon content so it doesn't count ! Only savage raids are where it matters see ! Dungeons aren't real, nobody plays them !"

Well some people see dungeons as niche, while others see raids as niche content.

[Kalaam]

I know, I was being sarcastic since that's an argument that comes back whenever something is OP or underpowered in dungeons. Obviously a job should be enjoyable in all content, and having some being vastly superior or basically making others optional even in one specific type of content is an issue.

Plus, niche or not, dungeons are a massive part of the game that you HAVE to play through before getting to raids anyway.

[Kalaam]

It being that easy is indeed the issue. Yes it would be faster to reset, but it isn't "necessary".

[Weetzlo]

He asked how its a dick move and that's why. He made the encounter longer while also cursing them to not even be able to actually play during that (longer) time and saying its not his fault, its the devs'.

[Absimiliard]

He asked how its a dick move and that's why. He made the encounter longer while also cursing them to not even be able to actually play during that (longer) time and saying its not his fault, its the devs'.

Aight, and what makes you think they're not just going to die to mechanics again? I have seen more than a few times in this expansion alone where the party, despite multiple opportunities to learn, simply would not or could not perform mechanics sufficiently to survive to the end of a boss fight. After about the third time, yes, it is perfectly acceptable to sit there and solo the boss because there's no way you are getting past it otherwise. That is not a dick move, that is carrying people so you can finish the place.

[Kalaam]

That's not really the issue being discussed though.
The issue is how easy it is do end up in that situation in the first place.

[Quintessa]

After jumping on my whm today because I wanted to come out of retirement.. I got in groups with several WARs. Healing them felt no different than it did back in Shadowbringers. Just hold off on everything til all their stuff is used and take care of them until they are back up.

I haven't gone a run yet where I didn't need to heal a WAR at all and there was some close calls too. I'd like to think they are aware that their stuff ain't gonna be up at a given moment and it takes knowing the dungeon/fight/boss to really get the most out of the self healing.

As a reminder, WAR is the job that can solo extremes and some of the easier (that I know of) savages and since Heavensward, has been the self healing tank king. Sorry PLD's but clemency keeps you from dpsing.

PLDs - same deal here.
GNBs - I actually struggle a bit with them, no idea why.
DRKs - Yeah you're gonna think all my wipes came with DRK tanks, but nope.

[SenseiSnow]

After jumping on my whm today because I wanted to come out of retirement.. I got in groups with several WARs. Healing them felt no different than it did back in Shadowbringers. Just hold off on everything til all their stuff is used and take care of them until they are back up.

I haven't gone a run yet where I didn't need to heal a WAR at all and there was some close calls too. I'd like to think they are aware that their stuff ain't gonna be up at a given moment and it takes knowing the dungeon/fight/boss to really get the most out of the self healing.

As a reminder, WAR is the job that can solo extremes and some of the easier (that I know of) savages and since Heavensward, has been the self healing tank king. Sorry PLD's but clemency keeps you from dpsing.

PLDs - same deal here.
GNBs - I actually struggle a bit with them, no idea why.
DRKs - Yeah you're gonna think all my wipes came with DRK tanks, but nope.

While it's not going to be every player, I've run in multiple current expert dungeons with 1 warrior and 3 dps and cleared in under 15 minutes. Handy if your farming aphorism tomes, but it makes the other tanks and most healers feel kinda useless outside of trials/raids. The simple fact that a decent, casual player with knowledge of the dungeons doesn't even need a healer to complete them is an issue. I can't say if it's possible with PLD or GNB, a PLD being more likely able to than GNB in my opinion. A DRK definitely can't accomplish this.

They need to dial back the self sustain.

[Atreides]

While it's not going to be every player, I've run in multiple current expert dungeons with 1 warrior and 3 dps and cleared in under 15 minutes.

I mean thats fine if you wanna challenge yourself for whatever reason but I've ran sub 14 minutes with a regular group.