Tank healing is to high

[Ashua]

Not sure if Square/Enix is intending this to go into Savage mode as is but if the last two weeks of the expansion are of any indication the tank healing is way higher than it should be. Seeing all the numbers tanks can put out in self-healing from 10k heals to 30-40k burst heals is a tad silly. They are officially stronger healers than the classes meant to heal. We need a balance patch before the real raiding begins or this might be the most ridiculous game anyone can take seriously that wants to have a progressive raiding core to go with.


The game has a lottof issues right now with balance and cheating and I would not be against delaying the Savage raids to take care of rotation/movement bots and programs that tell you where to go and what mechanics are about to happen. That along with the balance of tanks and healers right now is also a huge consideration to me.

[Liam_Harper]

Tank sustainability is a good thing. The problem is we don't have the damage intake to match it.

Having a strong toolkit that rewards you for using it well is more interesting than standing there doing 1, 2, 3 endlessly while the healers throw you an oGCD occasionally. But if bosses just tickle you, there's no purpose for those self-heals. That's the problem.

[Shurrikhan]

Tank sustainability is a good thing. The problem is we don't have the damage intake to match it.

Tank agency is a good thing. But, assuming the game is balanced around the defensive/curative throughput available to tanks, though, EW's plethora of tank regens just water down the moments of interaction. That takes agency away from how the kit is used (i.e., the skill ceiling) to just that the kit has ridiculous amounts of self-healing over time. All these HoTs, etc., just make our agency feel less eventful and less engaging. I'd have been happier without them, honestly.

[sirflimflam]

Tank sustainability is a good thing. The problem is we don't have the damage intake to match it.

Having a strong toolkit that rewards you for using it well is more interesting than standing there doing 1, 2, 3 endlessly while the healers throw you an oGCD occasionally. But if bosses just tickle you, there's no purpose for those self-heals. That's the problem.

That's cool for you, but as a healer what am I supposed to do? Lol. I press 1 and 1 and maybe even 1 if time permits. This game is in a weird state where it's very choreographed and if everyone does their job right, damage isn't doled out, and healers....do dps with their thought provoking rotation. There should be more to being a healer than one off group aoe heal checks and dps. Damage should not only be aoe checks and if someone messes up. There should be a reason why a healer is in the party for more than one part of a mechanic.

Its absolutely wild to me that Tanks having more healing has now turned in to healers yelling about nerfing tanks so they have something to heal.

Tanks tanking our jobs.

[Pibz]

Tank sustainability is a good thing. The problem is we don't have the damage intake to match it.

Having a strong toolkit that rewards you for using it well is more interesting than standing there doing 1, 2, 3 endlessly while the healers throw you an oGCD occasionally. But if bosses just tickle you, there's no purpose for those self-heals. That's the problem.

This, this is honestly more a healer problem than a tank problem. For all the issues tanks have as a role, healers feel like an exercise in pointlessness to play in dungeons nowadays. You're basically stuck spamming literal 2 button rotations as a gimped DPS for a good chunk of the time in trash (why doesnt trash have any significant mechanics either? Why don't they AOE frequently? Why are there no mandatory interrupts/stuns necessary? What's the point of cc abilities in this game exactly?) and 99% of the time in a "boss" fight. that's just depressing to even think about.

Their excuse is that they don't think players are able handle basically anything because it hurts their feefees if they die once in a blue moon in a dungeon but this design choice stopped making any remote sense when they basically added AI ran, impossible to lose "game" option for people who want the game to play itself with no stakes.

[Colt47]

Tank sustainability is a good thing. The problem is we don't have the damage intake to match it.

Having a strong toolkit that rewards you for using it well is more interesting than standing there doing 1, 2, 3 endlessly while the healers throw you an oGCD occasionally. But if bosses just tickle you, there's no purpose for those self-heals. That's the problem.

Oh the damage intake is there. Self healing it's absolutely useless in savage the majority of the time because stuff hits so hard you heal maybe one auto on warrior. Unless the "savage" one is talking about is p1s and p2s when someone outgears the living hell out of it like most people do after the first month.

[Kalaam]

Would be nice that this sustain is put to contribution.
Though if it was, DRK would be unusable lol, so maybe after it got buffed in that department.

[Duskane]

glad tbh too many times healer die with no raise caster and its over but with GNB now you can easily sustain yourself and 1-2 DPS to push through in dungeon bosses

[Ashua]

glad tbh too many times healer die with no raise caster and its over but with GNB now you can easily sustain yourself and 1-2 DPS to push through in dungeon bosses

And that sort of invalidates the healer. Honestly, the queue requiring a green role in order for the dungeon finder to click into play is the only reason a healer is required. The game was designed with the triality of modern-day MMO's and I think it is a disservice to basically invalidate a third of the players who enjoy that aspect. So now in order to get my healing jollies on I have to also be a tank? If two DPS and a tank can tackle a boss it is poor game design. Either fix it or rework the game without requiring healers to be a role.

Tank sustainability is a good thing. The problem is we don't have the damage intake to match it.

Having a strong toolkit that rewards you for using it well is more interesting than standing there doing 1, 2, 3 endlessly while the healers throw you an oGCD occasionally. But if bosses just tickle you, there's no purpose for those self-heals. That's the problem.

And it's worse for healers. Tank sustainability should be the healer and not the tank. You have a 1-2-3 combo but I have a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 combo for 99.9% of whatever I do. The bosses do more than tickle. Tanks can burst heal better than current healers is the problem. 10x for warriors but literally similar for all but the Dark Knight.

[J-Reyno]

Tank sustainability should be the healer and not the tank.

No, it really shouldn't. And this is an issue I've had with FFXIV for a long time, because most of what SHOULD be the tank's job has always been the healer's job. I've played games where tanks have very powerful, frequent-use mitigation and self-sustain tools. Games where the tank really works to stay on their feet. Then there's FFXIV where we have these weak, occasional-use mitigation abilities and otherwise spend 99% of our time doing damage and nothing else.

Now for the first time ever tanks aaalllmost kinda feel like actual tanks and not just the designated whipping boy.

Tanks not crumbling to pieces in low-pressure content when a healer doesn't babysit them 24/7 doesn't invalidate the healer role. When you're running extreme trials and savage raids divine veil is not going to keep the party alive. Healers still have plenty to do and even if the tanks were entirely self-sufficient (they're not) there'd still be the rest of the party in need of healing.