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  1. #1
    Player
    Avatar von Elysidelphi
    Registriert seit
    Aug 2013
    Ort
    The World Unsundered
    Beiträge
    138
    Character
    Azeyma Persephoneisis
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Astrologe Lv 90

    Dear SquareEnix/Natsuko Ishikawa - About Zenos in Endwalker *MAJOR MSQ SPOILERS*!

    *** MAJOR MSQ SPOILERS ***

    Dear SquareEnix/Natsuko Ishikawa,

    I am a long-time Final Fantasy player, I love and adore your games, most especially FFXIV. I've been playing FFXIV since Open Beta in 2013 and I love this game so much, and I trust you, the dev team, so much, that I never once paused my subscription, even when I was taking a break from the game for travelling or other purposes.

    I've recently finished Endwalker and while I am left with many unanswered/half-answered questions, one of the biggest questions/worries I have is related to Zenos. It's hard to find the words to describe everything I feel in regards to Zenos's story but I'll do my best. I'm writing this because I really really wish that you would bring back Zenos and give him a proper, in-depth redemption arc. His whole story breaks my heart on a completely different level than other heartbreaking stories of characters in this game. Zenos is someone with a tragic childhood, who was used by his own father, who ended up becoming a monster, someone who seems to have all the signs of classic depression (plus maybe other disorders), someone who didn't even have a single friend in his whole life. He never knew happiness, love, friendship, warmth. He obviously enjoyed killing others, and then pursuing the WoL for bigger and better fights, but I am quite sure that didn't give him long-time happiness, just fleeting moments of joy, gone too soon, as he himself says. He was always seeking to fill that void, and that void cannot ever be filled with just fleeting moments of joy, it needs something a lot more substantial, such as an on-going friendship, and even then, the struggle to fill that void would still remain.
    I ask you to bring him back because I am someone who thinks that even monsters could be saved, and could be deserving of happiness. No matter how I look at his story, it just makes me cry every time because I want so much more for him. And maybe, just maybe, he would want something more for himself as well. I'm not saying that a redemption story should just be handed out to him easily, he should work for it, but I am saying that he deserves a proper second chance where he could actually become friends with the WoL. Zenos is someone in his mid or late 20s and it just breaks my heart that he calls us, the WoL, his first friend. Can you imagine living 26+ years of your life without a single friend? Without a single soul you could ever genuinely call your friend? Can you imagine that kind of loneliness, emptiness, that kind of emotional coldness? It just breaks my heart on so many levels that words fail me and I write this with shaking hands. I am a psychologist in training, with a goal of specialising in forensic psychology. I know that even criminals and murderers can be reformed, if given time, energy, effort, a lot of hard work. I know that monsters are not born, they are made, as cliche as that may sound. I know that the first 5 years of a child's life will define the entire life and personality of that human either in positive or negative ways and I know that it takes a lot of time and hard work to undo childhood trauma, neglect, abandonment, violence, etc. In any games I play, especially in FFXIV (and in FFXI too) I main healers, it's just part of my real personality, the desire to heal and help, give a second chance, maybe even a third chance. Zenos is someone I would want to help and heal and give another chance, at genuine happiness, something more tangible and more stable than just fleeting moments of joy. I'd want Zenos to have at least one good friend who is always there for him, who has his back, who would protect and help him, and even just spend quiet moments with him, just talking, relaxing, joking, teasing each other. I'd want Zenos to finally know that warm feeling of being wanted and needed as a human being, not to be used for personal agendas, but to be enjoyed for whom he is, and I fully believe that beyond his dark, monstruous side, Zenos also has qualities such a intelligence, cunning, sarcasm, bravery, strength. I think he deserves more and better.
    I know that the final scene with Zenos was the WoL having a duel with him, and at the end of it, Zenos is shown left all alone, just after he seemed to have stopped breathing. I had no joy in doing that to him. No joy whatsoever. I was crying during the whole scene. I never ever wanted to hurt him. I wanted to give him a hug. Does it sound stupid/naive? Maybe so, but even monsters deserve a chance, of that I am convinced. Now, I know that Zenos has the Resonant and the Echo, he can body hop, he can see soul colours, he has dreams of the Final Days. So maybe he did survive that fight and his soul will go back to our world and find another body or even make a body similar/identical to his old one. Maybe he already had clones made of his original body and kept somewhere safe (say, underground) just to be safe. Or maybe he will get an entirely new body. But I want to see him back, and instead of just wanting to fight us again and again, I really really want him to be given a proper redemption story. It could be part of the main story in the future or it could be part of a side quest. He could even become a Trust member, that way he could go on adventures with us, fight by our side, and face mighty threats of all kinds; that lifestyle would suit him very well, plus he'd have us by his side, we could even have occasional mock duels with him just for fun/to learn from each other.
    It's just...I can't let go of him. Yeah, personal bias, subjective, etc. But I cannot let go of him. I thought it would be harder for me to let go of someone like Emet-Selch, Elidibus or Hermes as I also love them a lot. But with these aforementioned characters, I can console myself knowing that they did have friends. They did know warmth, and proper happiness. Yes, they also suffered a lot, yes they were also the villains of their own stories, but ultimately, they did also have friends and warmth and companionship and affection at some point in their stories. Of course I would like to see them again, always, that will never change. I love them dearly. Their stories still make me cry to this day no matter how many times I go through them. But I find no comfort whatsoever in Zenos's story. None. No silver lining. No nothing. That's why I cannot let go and move on. I want something more for Zenos. I know he deserves better. Also, giving him a redemption story could also bring hope to people in real life, people who also never had friends, or who were ostracised or considered "bad" for one reason or another, and it would teach the rest of us who were luckier, that we could choose to forgive and befriend someone, even someone who seems to be "pure evil" because deep down, no one is pure evil nor pure good.
    You might ask yourself "Well, why don't you mention Asahi then too? Or some other character?", and yes, I would mention any other "evil" character if that character was given the screen time that Zenos was given and if that character pursued us so single-mindedly. My desire to help, heal and save even the monsters doesn't stop at Zenos. But it is focused primarily on Zenos due to the time we have with him.
    Also, the subconscious part of the mind is extremely powerful and has a large amount of influence over our daily lives, whether we realise it or not. I think that Zenos is no exception. Yes, he seeks the WoL out always for a fight, but that's the conscious reason that Zenos himself knows about. However, he definitely has at least one subconscious reason for which he seeks out so much, almost desperately, and that reason has nothing to do with just fighting. It's obviously not made crystal clear in the story to be this way, but scientifically and psychologically speaking, this theory would be applicable to any human being, even to a psychopath.
    Also, something else that is important: history is written by the winners; the victors decide who the heroes and who the villains are. And obviously the side you/the WoL is on is going to say things that are favourable to their agenda/goals/ideals, even if they have to exaggerate. That is to say that while Zenos did indeed kill many and has no excuse, the stories about the numbers of people he killed, the stories about his cruelty and so on, may all or at least some of them be exaggerated. This must be kept in mind.
    I am also well aware that quite a number of people either dislike or hate Zenos and quite a few are indifferent towards him. But I also know that I am not the only one who cares so much about him. I don't want to turn this topic into an argument about why we should like/hate Zenos. After all, it's all subjective and a matter of personal preference.

    But I do see many people stating how they dislike/hate Zenos or just don't care about him at all, and not many who say they like/love him. I just don't want our voices to be drowned out.

    So, please, please, SquareEnix, please Natsuko Ishikawa, please bring Zenos back and give him an in-depth redemption story where he can find genuine happiness, warmth, friendship and companionship at journey's end. Please show us all that even monsters are capable of overcoming their own darkness and baser instincts if given the chance. Please show us that we are strong enough, wise enough, kind enough, generous enough to truly forgive a monster and take their hand in ours in genuine affection and friendship. Please show us that after everything we've been through, after we've managed to even forgive and befriend Meteion, destroyer of worlds/stars/civilisations, we can surely forgive and befriend someone who has considered us his first and only friend for so many years.
    (29)
    "For whom weeps the storm
    Her tears on our skin
    The days of our years gone
    Our souls soaked in sin
    These memories ache with the weight of tomorrow"

  2. #2
    Player
    Avatar von Hiragawa
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    Oct 2013
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    87
    Character
    Quin'ra Polaani
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Schnitter Lv 90
    To contrast everything you said: Please leave him dead. It's time to move on from Zenos.
    (140)

  3. #3
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    Avatar von Tsukino
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    Mar 2011
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    Character
    Tsukino Mahou
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Piktomant Lv 100
    Leave it to someone who likes a piece of cardboard like Zenos to have trouble with making paragraphs.
    (65)

  4. #4
    Player
    Avatar von van_arn
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    Jul 2011
    Ort
    Ul'dah
    Beiträge
    1.960
    Character
    Van Arn
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    This was the Zenos redemption arc. He doesn’t need to be a good guy or to have the deepest motives. He just wants to fight us when it’ll be a fun fight.

    There’s no way he’s not coming back, and I’m fine with that. It’ll be just as much fun next time, too.
    (25)

  5. #5
    Player
    Avatar von xxmiamorecadenza
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    May 2020
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    647
    Character
    Miawkwa Fletcher
    World
    Golem
    Main Class
    Beschwörer Lv 90
    Zitat Zitat von Hiragawa Beitrag anzeigen
    To contrast everything you said: Please leave him dead. It's time to move on from Zenos.
    Agreed.

    Zenos went out in a way that left us with at least a good impression and his character went out in a way where he seemed genuinely content.

    He passed in a beautiful place with his friend and with a lovely and final parting shot - let the character rest.
    (36)

  6. #6
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    Avatar von Hysorn
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    Aug 2021
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    Character
    Laudrian Ravenstorm
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Dunkelritter Lv 90
    While I sort of enjoyed his character, for me Zenos is basically the Dragon Ball Z character of FFXIV, he isn't very deep and he has that Saiyan motivation of living to fight stronger opponents. There only so much you can do with this character, he is a sociopath at best, a psychopath at worst. All that he did was for himself, every time he tried to get our attention was so he could get the tiniest bit of satisfaction. He was basically extremely depressed, the world meant little for him and his entire reasoning for living was seeking that said ever fleeting and superficial satisfaction.
    Once he realized he couldn't repeat that moment in Ala Migho he just let himself go, after all if he couldn't feel that happiness ever again, why live? Everything would be mundane and boring until his last breath.

    Our characters could never have redeemed him or helped him because it was never what he wanted.

    He died as he lived: Alone seeking the one thing that could brighten up his world.
    (7)
    Geändert von Hysorn (12.12.21 um 08:37 Uhr)

  7. #7
    Player
    Avatar von Hiragawa
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    Oct 2013
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    Character
    Quin'ra Polaani
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Schnitter Lv 90
    Zitat Zitat von xxmiamorecadenza Beitrag anzeigen
    Zenos went out in a way that left us with at least a good impression and his character went out in a way where he seemed genuinely content. He passed in a beautiful place with his friend and with a lovely and final parting shot - let the character rest.
    Exactly. I quite detest him, but from a storyline perspective he showed up exactly when we needed him to do so. His overbearing persistence gave us an arena to quite literally save all of existence, and then went out exactly how he wanted. To bring him back yet again would be a massive disservice to his storyline.
    (16)

  8. #8
    Player
    Avatar von Senn
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    Aug 2012
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    1.751
    Character
    Leone Noir
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Rotmagier Lv 65
    I think Zenos did have warmth and happiness. It's just that his warmth and happiness came from fighting strong opponents in mortal combat. I don't really think he wants the sort of friendship where he hangs out with people and is buddy buddy with them. I saw a youtube comment that described Zenos perfectly "Endwalker is about a guy named Zenos who really wants to get his buddy to play PVP with him." The dude just wants to pvp all day every day. That's his joy in life and he wants his only friend, the WoL, to experience his joy as well. He's kind of like that one friend who keeps trying to get you into their favorite video game. And in the end, the WoL obliged and played with him. I would say Zenos had a ton of joy and fun in those final moments.

    I don't think Zenos has some subconscious reason he seeks out fights. It's just something he does out of enjoyment and no other reason. It's sorta like meta commentary, like how gamers like to pvp simply because it's what they enjoy doing and it's fun.

    I wouldn't be against him coming back, though. Isn't he surrounded by dynamis or something? Maybe he can use all that energy to travel back to Eorzea. But I would also be ok with him staying dead, idc that much.
    (7)

  9. #9
    Player
    Avatar von EtherRose
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    Aug 2013
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    355
    Character
    Ether Rose
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Mönch Lv 100
    It's not over for Zenos. What is the "Bargain" he struck? I'm sure it wasn't "Let me gorge on the mother crystal and I'll save your WoL". And the way he was just left there. It feels like he'll be back but a different person tbh.
    (7)

  10. #10
    Player
    Avatar von Imragarn
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    Sep 2016
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    239
    Character
    Lunistra Memno
    World
    Spriggan
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 90
    I know this is FF14 and dead people really struggle to stay dead but Zenos got exactly what he want : fighting his friend in deadly 1V1. He help us, he save the world and the universe with us, we fight him and won. I don't feel like we need him to come back again we already have the "he is not just a big bad guys who only want battle" arc in my opinion.

    At the start of EW i was affraid of Zenos because i don't like him and fear some stupid 1V1 in a stupid way with him. At the end i found that SE really did well with him !
    (12)

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