I love SMN

[Yubie]

While it does feel strange to have Carbuncle just kind of there doing nothing, the moment you give him an auto attack or anything it means that the abilities we use for him may not be as responsive as they are now. I would say add another oGCD ability to Carbuncle, maybe an attack ability or something, but I feel like Carbuncle is almost never available anyway since he is removed every time you summon which if you are really rolling on your abilities can be very often.

The abilities in its current state are unresponsive though, you cant even use aegis or searing light between demis for half the time. And the only reason they despawn carbuncle now is because its coded lazily from relics of old summoner.

In an ideal situation the normal Carbuncle should be its own thing only to be replaced by fire bird/bahamut, and summoning the topaz/ruby/emerald summons should be their own thing that doesnt despawn carbuncle. Aegis/Searing light should be untethered to require the carbuncle to be active.

The new summoner is fun dont get me wrong because its all shiny and new, but the reality is it STILL has a lot of the pre-existing clunkyness and unresponsive actions that old summoner had.

I was really sad to hear carbuncle doesn't even auto attack anymore, fairy still does auto healing so not sure why they removed it

Because the way they coded it is lazy. The Ruby/Emerald/Topaz summons still hehave like old enkindles. So essentially, when you say press summon ifrit, you spawn a new egi summon that overides the existing one (like old summoner) it will cast "enkindle" (new wording same functionality), then it will automatically despawn and recast carbuncle. its like a cast sequence macro.

Thats why they cant currently have carbuncle do anything reliably. They dont have the tech rn for both carbuncle and egis/primals to be active at the same time.

[aveyond-dreams]

I have nothing but love for new summoner personally though it would be nice to get some abilities earlier, with ones having to do with new primals long overdue. Vestiges of poison mage like "Fester" need renaming and there is no reason why the same icons are being reused so much. Is the icon design team too busy making new icons for more useless blue mage spells to spare the time to come up with stuff for an actual full job???

[Equitable_Remedy]

But hey, I think it's the job's fate to have the playerbase divided on it, no matter how it is designed.

Welcome to the internet.

[Maxilor]

Bold take to have these days (apparently)!

Only the very vocal minority hate new SMN.

For the most part the SMN changes have seen overwhelming praise.

(source: trust me dude)

[Brightshadow]

I like the new summoner, my only hope is that we finally get the other 3 elemental summons (Leviathan, Shiva, Ramuh) in an update after using phoenix trance. Hopefully as a future version update since the models already exist in game they just need to be adjusted in size. And maybe egi versions of leviathan and shiva have to be created from lv80-90 I am unsure if those models exist but at least Egi-Ramuh is in game.

[Rolder50]

Only the very vocal minority hate new SMN.

For the most part the SMN changes have seen overwhelming praise.

(source: trust me dude)

I don't know about that, summoners are the job I see complaining the most out of any of them. That's even counting healers!

[Angwa]

I have also come to be at peace with the changes and learn to love my summoner again. Obviously the job can still use some tweaks, mainly on the side of aetherflow/fester/ruin IV.

But, seriously, the lvl 86 trait should come way, way earlier. I bet that would have avoided a lot of salt because it makes that much of a difference.

[Tylorien]

I like the new summoner, my only hope is that we finally get the other 3 elemental summons (Leviathan, Shiva, Ramuh) in an update after using phoenix trance. Hopefully as a future version update since the models already exist in game they just need to be adjusted in size. And maybe egi versions of leviathan and shiva have to be created from lv80-90 I am unsure if those models exist but at least Egi-Ramuh is in game.

I'm a bit torn on this because I really want leviathan, but part of me also would really like them to changed the arcanums from specific color arcanums requiring specific primals to be summoned, to prismatic arcanums that allow you to summon your elemental primals based on your need. For example if you need a bit of movement and alot of up front damage you could do ifrit, garuda, ifrit, or if you had your elemental phase up when you just needed alot of movement garuda x3

Granted they'd have to be really careful with elemental balancing if they did this or everyone would probably just only summon titan.

My one real gripe is that I feel like either Garuda or Titan's gem abiltiies don't have a role, because titan's are basically straight upgrades over your base spells that are also instant cast, while garudas are instant cast but functionally weaker than the base spells, which leads to me just sitting in titan attunement for as long as I can to use his spells for movement, and then right before my demi primal is back up, I'll pop garuda and then immediately cancel out of her without even spending her attunements.

Edit: Sidenote. I'm really surprised that I havent seen any glamoured carbuncles other than my own since this expansion went live. Everyone just seems to be running around with the standard blue carbuncle instead of yellow, red, or any of the egis O.o

[Burningskull]

So. I'm level 83 or 84 now and I have noticed some things. I read somewhere one the forums about Titan Egi and Ifrit Egi having to run up to their targets to use their attacks when you summon them. I didn't think it would be a big deal and it's not to much of one but if the enemy dies before it gets there it does tend to lolygag around and not attack. Could be solved in 1 of 2 ways. Ether have the summon appear at the enemy or make them ranged attacks.

I also think Rekindle. The Phoenix attack, should be a fire attack of some sort instead of a heal. Maybe one that places a shield on the party that deals damage if they are struck?

As for Carbuncle I don't mind that he doesn't attack. However maybe they could make Carbuncle attack when you attack with a GCD? Or have him do an attack when he comes back after you summon?

For the future of SMN I could see them going the route of giving you Ramuh, Leviathan and Shiva after your Phoenix phase at like level 96, and then at level 100 you get Demi-Alexander. But what gems to you get after Alexander? 3 random gems? Ifrit, Garuda and Titan? The Phoenix ones? Guess that's a few years off anyway lol.

[SieyaM]

I'm a bit torn on this because I really want leviathan, but part of me also would really like them to changed the arcanums from specific color arcanums requiring specific primals to be summoned, to prismatic arcanums that allow you to summon your elemental primals based on your need. For example if you need a bit of movement and alot of up front damage you could do ifrit, garuda, ifrit, or if you had your elemental phase up when you just needed alot of movement garuda x3

Granted they'd have to be really careful with elemental balancing if they did this or everyone would probably just only summon titan.

My one real gripe is that I feel like either Garuda or Titan's gem abiltiies don't have a role, because titan's are basically straight upgrades over your base spells that are also instant cast, while garudas are instant cast but functionally weaker than the base spells, which leads to me just sitting in titan attunement for as long as I can to use his spells for movement, and then right before my demi primal is back up, I'll pop garuda and then immediately cancel out of her without even spending her attunements.

Edit: Sidenote. I'm really surprised that I havent seen any glamoured carbuncles other than my own since this expansion went live. Everyone just seems to be running around with the standard blue carbuncle instead of yellow, red, or any of the egis O.o

I would love more than anything to get the onyx Carbuncle that Alph had back in ShB as a glamour. Right now all my summons are Carbuncle glamours and while I love summoner, I almost feel more like an Eevee pokemon trainer at the moment.