Should Savage be Delayed?

[HyoMinPark]

If statics all log in at the same time they should all be in the game around the same time, because they'll be in the same spot in queue.

This doesn’t account for things like:

— Static members on different servers, which will have different queue lengths due to having different population counts.
— And the fact that other players are also trying to log in on all servers, so they will also be joining the different server queues with said static members.

You know, aside from people that aren’t lucky enough to work from home to try and pre-emptively log in, and work standard 9-to-5 jobs in an office.

But I forgot that people here don’t think about that sort of stuff; nor do they care about the circumstances of others.

you can power level him and he do msq later but this problem is real for most players now. not much people can play much at this time of the year and the wait tames don't help.

No you cannot. You have to complete 6.0 to unlock Pandaemonium. So power leveling will do nothing to help this group.

it's funny how many people in this thread have clearly never done week 1 raid prog in their life but are telling week 1 raiders how they should feel or how they should play

Unfortunately, that’s an accepted practice here. You should have seen everyone telling the ultimate raiders to “just get over it” when the developers announced they were delaying the second Ultimate we were supposed to get in 5.0.

I do week 1 pugging and usually clear the tier within the first 2 weeks in PF alone, assuming enough people make it to the 4th savage by then. So yes, you can grab a pug to replace and go at it or you can delay your raid day and not be "world first". It sucks, but that doesn't mean they should delay it for millions in game because people need to sit through 3-4k queues.

I’ve raided in this game for a few years now. “Millions” aren’t doing Savage. That’s a disingenuous statement to make.

Too bad the raid scene isn’t actually that big. Maybe they’d actually care to listen to us for once.

Your best bet, is literally to raid during off peak, join the game as early as possible or pray the base dies off enough to shorten the queues by then (doubt it).

Because some raid groups that do clear Week 1/Week 2 don’t also work jobs during the day? I’ve worked through quite a few raid tiers (one of which when COVID just hit—Eden’s Verse), and most of the people I have raided with also have jobs that they work during the day—or they go to school full-time. We still managed to make it work, and with the exception of Eden’s Promise, I’ve cleared Week 1/Week 2 each tier last expansion—but we also weren’t dealing with this mess.

It’s kind of astounding how out of touch some people are with real life on here.



Personally, as someone who wants to clear Week 1/Week 2, if the queues and lobby errors continue to persist until Savage release, I wouldn’t even be against a small delay (maybe a week or two). It would save the worry of a static member disconnecting in the middle of raid and us having to end for the night. Generally, groups aiming for a Week 1 clear don’t want to be forced to hunt for a random PUG. My group has gotten fairly lucky with getting in—but some still occasionally have 90k errors in the middle of playing, and then are stuck in Queue (Savage) for 2-3 hours.

[Wolwosh]

If statics all log in at the same time they should all be in the game around the same time, because they'll be in the same spot in queue.

Lol sure...
Screw the people that work in the afternoon.

[Catwho]

Lol sure...
Screw the people that work in the afternoon.

Day 1 raiding teams often ask their players to take a week of vacation if they're in the serious hunt for the world first race.

That said, I'm in agreement that they should consider delaying Savage. My team isn't one of the world first groups; we just like the challenge of doing it at current level. But our main tank has been able to play maybe 2 hours a day for the last week, and he's only level 82 at this point as a result.

[Araxes]

I absolutely think yes. They should delay it. With the massive queues and the frequent Disconnects for quite a number of people even while in queue, it is kind of impossible to raid with a static or Friends. If only one of them has an Error, DC or something else, it is Game over.

[say0]

Anyone against this is one of the lucky gold spoons who haven't gotten 90k errors and tell you "works fine for me!". If I was raiding day 1 and disconnected into a 10k person queue that would be the end of me playing FFXIV. If they're going to release them on schedule then they better figure out a way to make a disconnect grace period where you can reconnect within 5 minutes of a 90k. (they wont because they're incompetent)

[Mezzoforte]

Anyone against this is one of the lucky gold spoons who haven't gotten 90k errors and tell you "works fine for me!". If I was raiding day 1 and disconnected into a 10k person queue that would be the end of me playing FFXIV. If they're going to release them on schedule then they better figure out a way to make a disconnect grace period where you can reconnect within 5 minutes of a 90k. (they wont because they're incompetent)

We both know this is an empty threat. Far worse things have gone on in FF14 already and yet here you are.

[lisaa]

If there is such a long queue it would be a disaster. But at this point if it gets delayed I don’t know if some of us can still move their PTO. We can only hope and pray that it will be less congested by that time

[Garnix]

If the content is ready, I see no reason to delay it. The world first race is such a minor thing that just lasts for 3 days...and if you really want to run it min iLvl, you still can do it later.
If the queues are still as bad when savage comes out, 'til which date do you want it postponed? When they do the server upgrade? 6.1 or maybe even later? And then you won't have enough time to get your BiS for the Ultimate? And if Ultimate also gets postponed because of it, ultimate raiders will be mad.

[say0]

If the content is ready, I see no reason to delay it. The world first race is such a minor thing that just lasts for 3 days...and if you really want to run it min iLvl, you still can do it later.
If the queues are still as bad when savage comes out, 'til which date do you want it postponed? When they do the server upgrade? 6.1 or maybe even later? And then you won't have enough time to get your BiS for the Ultimate? And if Ultimate also gets postponed because of it, ultimate raiders will be mad.

I guess you're one of the people who aren't aware of the 90k error problem (disconnects). When you combine a disconnection with hours long queues, you make it impossible to schedule group activities (raiding). If one person gets a disconnection your raid day is effectively over. Hope this helps.

[Garnix]

I guess you're one of the people who aren't aware of the 90k error problem (disconnects). When you combine a disconnection with hours long queues, you make it impossible to schedule group activities (raiding). If one person gets a disconnection your raid day is effectively over. Hope this helps.

I was not aware. But it doesn't change my stance on this.