2nd night unable to play because of LONG queue times

[martimus]

If your job is IT procurement, even if you have no actual technical knowledge (very much a thing), then you wouldn't state that you're not part of the IT industry. IT Procurement is very much part of the IT industry. There are procurement positions for nearly every field, however. As I stated earlier, IT procurement is not like the rest of the buying world. It just works differently. Someone who is in charge of IT procurement would know this.

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What in the ACTUAL F????

It's like you are just having your own entire conversation with yourself and nothing anyone says means anything in regards to what you post as your argument....

I....you know what?

Sekurity, I'm done here. Sorry bro. These people are nuts.

[Sekurity]

If your job is IT procurement, even if you have no actual technical knowledge (very much a thing), then you wouldn't state that you're not part of the IT industry. IT Procurement is very much part of the IT industry. There are procurement positions for nearly every field, however. As I stated earlier, IT procurement is not like the rest of the buying world. It just works differently. Someone who is in charge of IT procurement would know this.

I still stand by my initial statement. Shortages are just that. SHORTAGES. They are existing. They are just expensive to get. If they actually cared, they would purchase them at the 5x, 10x, or 20x the normal cost. Anything you continue to spew about IT industry and not knowing everything about servers doesn't mean anything. The shortages was the excuse they gave us, Im specifically discussing that issue.

[Vandrak]

My question is. Why didn't they get more servers when they had this problem before?

[Banggugyangu]

I am in charge of procuring both types of hardware. Nuts, bolts, encoders both types absolute SSI to incremental, power supplies, limit switches, ETC. Granted I specifically don't buy your precious servers, but I do have knowledge of certain hardware that IT uses. You are still ignorant on this whole matter, yet claiming Im the one not in the know. This is fun though. This is making you look worse than myself. Keep it coming.

If you were to be believed in the statement that you have knowledge of certain hardware that IT uses, perhaps instead of "nuts" and "bolts", you'd have given examples more applicable to servers. "Power supplies" would be the most applicable thing you listed, and even that is absurdly generic. I don't doubt that you are indeed in procurement. Based on the list you gave, I'm going to say it's likely for Electrical Engineering. That's a tangential industry to IT, sure, but IT is a different world altogether. As I have stated several times, if you DON'T DO IT for IT, then you DON'T KNOW IT. It's NOT THE SAME. (Re-read those last 2 sentences a few times.... slowly...)

[Sekurity]

........

What in the ACTUAL F????

It's like you are just having your own entire conversation with yourself and nothing anyone says means anything in regards to what you post as your argument....

I....you know what?

Sekurity, I'm done here. Sorry bro. These people are nuts.

Thanks Martimus, take care.
Some people will never get it. The only reason why Im keeping on top of this is to keep the OP relevant. Also, what else am I going to do while waiting for the queue

[Banggugyangu]

My question is. Why didn't they get more servers when they had this problem before?

They did. That was when Stormblood came out.

[Sekurity]

If you were to be believed in the statement that you have knowledge of certain hardware that IT uses, perhaps instead of "nuts" and "bolts", you'd have given examples more applicable to servers. "Power supplies" would be the most applicable thing you listed, and even that is absurdly generic. I don't doubt that you are indeed in procurement. Based on the list you gave, I'm going to say it's likely for Electrical Engineering. That's a tangential industry to IT, sure, but IT is a different world altogether. As I have stated several times, if you DON'T DO IT for IT, then you DON'T KNOW IT. It's NOT THE SAME. (Re-read those last 2 sentences a few times.... slowly...)

I said both types of hardware. Nuts and bolts being hardware. If you were part of the entertainment industry, you would know that. Is this where i commence with bringing up the entertainment industry in every single post like you have to validate my point?

[Banggugyangu]

Unbelievable.

You're part of some weird, cult hive mind who will LITERALLY say absolutely anything to defend your dead invalid point in defense of this horribly mishandled launch and continued disruption.

International trade laws would absolutely disagree with your ridiculous post.

I mean I get that you might have taken some trivial high school debate class and you're trying to argue no matter what to save face, but for the love of Hydaelin, STOP. You're gaslighting your own self!!!!

Go read your EULA. It states in there exactly what you paid for.

[Banggugyangu]

I said both types of hardware. Nuts and bolts being hardware. If you were part of the entertainment industry, you would know that. Is this where i commence with bringing up the entertainment industry in every single post like you have to validate my point?

I'm fully aware that nuts and bolts are a form of hardware... I never contested that. I simply stated that the list you gave as examples had nothing to do with anything from IT whatsoever. As I mentioned, your list was a great list of parts used in electrical engineering. My point was this: if you were in charge of procurement for IT equipment and were trying to list off parts to show your credibility for the topic at hand, you'd have said things such as hard drives, RAID controllers, SANs, heck, even cabling... You gave a single item that's used in IT, but it's such a generic item that it's used in practically every industry. Your list didn't solidify your credibility on the matter, it tarnished it.

To break things down a bit, the semiconductor shortage moniker is a little misleading. It's coprocessors, specifically. Between the pandemic and the tsunamis hitting the manufacturing facilities, coprocessor manufacturers have gotten massively behind. These coprocessors are being shipped to OEMs and retailers. The OEMs get a large majority of them, but OEM products are rarely applicable in something the scale of what we're dealing with, here. Typically companies like SE will have a vendor that custom builds their servers for these types of applications. These vendors have to procure their own products (CPUs) for the builds. They're not typically part of the initial shipments like large scale OEMs are, so they turn to retail partnerships. Those retail partnerships sell out. The vendors are able to acquire a few, sure, but due to the shortage, scalpers are picking them up in droves. These scalpers are charging upwards of 10x per processor. Your original point of "There are other ways to get the parts" would involve purchasing from a scalper. So a CPU that would normally cost $5000 is now going to cost upwards of $50000. Take into consideration that there will be 2-4 of these in each server, and about 30 servers total to resolve the problem. (The ultimate solution is 2-3 more world servers per datacenter, a 3rd data center for EU, and preferably at least 1 more login server per data center.) You'd be looking at almost $1.5m in CPUs alone. The other option? wait. In a couple weeks, this problem will mostly go away. (The login queues, themselves). During the time afforded by the immediate problem resolving itself, SE's vendors will likely be able to secure the necessary parts to fulfill at least part of the needs. Even if SE were to go and purchase the necessary equipment from the scalpers, how long do you think it would take them to get new servers into production? We're looking at a week minimum, but more likely 2-3 weeks even if they're working tirelessly to do it. By then, this issue will have dissipated anyway. There is literally no incentive for SE to spend all of that extra money on something that won't even benefit the situation at hand.

[Sekurity]

I'm fully aware that nuts and bolts are a form of hardware... I never contested that. I simply stated that the list you gave as examples had nothing to do with anything from IT whatsoever. As I mentioned, your list was a great list of parts used in electrical engineering. My point was this: if you were in charge of procurement for IT equipment and were trying to list off parts to show your credibility for the topic at hand, you'd have said things such as hard drives, RAID controllers, SANs, heck, even cabling... You gave a single item that's used in IT, but it's such a generic item that it's used in practically every industry. Your list didn't solidify your credibility on the matter, it tarnished it.

To break things down a bit, the semiconductor shortage moniker is a little misleading. It's coprocessors, specifically. Between the pandemic and the tsunamis hitting the manufacturing facilities, coprocessor manufacturers have gotten massively behind. These coprocessors are being shipped to OEMs and retailers. The OEMs get a large majority of them, but OEM products are rarely applicable in something the scale of what we're dealing with, here. Typically companies like SE will have a vendor that custom builds their servers for these types of applications. These vendors have to procure their own products (CPUs) for the builds. They're not typically part of the initial shipments like large scale OEMs are, so they turn to retail partnerships. Those retail partnerships sell out. The vendors are able to acquire a few, sure, but due to the shortage, scalpers are picking them up in droves. These scalpers are charging upwards of 10x per processor. Your original point of "There are other ways to get the parts" would involve purchasing from a scalper. So a CPU that would normally cost $5000 is now going to cost upwards of $50000. Take into consideration that there will be 2-4 of these in each server, and about 30 servers total to resolve the problem. (The ultimate solution is 2-3 more world servers per datacenter, a 3rd data center for EU, and preferably at least 1 more login server per data center.) You'd be looking at almost $1.5m in CPUs alone. The other option? wait. In a couple weeks, this problem will mostly go away. (The login queues, themselves). During the time afforded by the immediate problem resolving itself, SE's vendors will likely be able to secure the necessary parts to fulfill at least part of the needs. Even if SE were to go and purchase the necessary equipment from the scalpers, how long do you think it would take them to get new servers into production? We're looking at a week minimum, but more likely 2-3 weeks even if they're working tirelessly to do it. By then, this issue will have dissipated anyway. There is literally no incentive for SE to spend all of that extra money on something that won't even benefit the situation at hand.

Yea, you just keep bringing up more and more buzz words that means nothing to this argument. We've gone so far off from the original post, that its silly you are sitting here arguing for SE. When in fact, I know 100% that you can still be purchased. You even in your closing statement:
"Even if SE were to go and purchase the necessary equipment from the scalpers, how long do you think it would take them to get new servers into production? We're looking at a week minimum, but more likely 2-3 weeks even if they're working tirelessly to do it. By then, this issue will have dissipated anyway. There is literally no incentive for SE to spend all of that extra money on something that won't even benefit the situation at hand."

You said they added servers back in stormblood. Ok. As far as the WoW refugee crisis, they had enough warning then. Then preorders occurred, more warning. FF14 vets stated has been occurring for every expansion. They clearly didnt do enough in stormblood. You amitted there is no incentive for SE to spend all that extra money. I'm making the argument that they should. Thats it. Thats the issue here. Past that, all of our back and fourth has become a pissing contest with both of us not backing down and being disrespectful.
So what now?