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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    How does a tank “overpull” exactly? Please explain?
    They pull a sufficient amount of enemies to cause their death, surpassing their survivability and the healers capability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    How does a tank “overpull” exactly? Please explain?
    First pull, first hit and already lose 25% HP. Then went on and pull 2 or more groups. You probably know the rest.

    When I see first hit loses 20-25% HP. Tank is very likely a paper. I adapt to it.
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    Last edited by TristanX; 12-10-2021 at 09:02 AM.

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    Eldred Draconis
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    Healers are healing more than they are doing damage in brand new content? You don't say! How terrible it must be for healers to heal and not be DPS.


    This is a really bad take, OP. Nothing is broken.
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    Dinah Demiurge
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    Maybe yall should affix some materia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume View Post
    They pull a sufficient amount of enemies to cause their death, surpassing their survivability and the healers capability.
    There aren’t enough enemies in a dungeon to pull more than the capabilities of a healer. The player themselves who can’t be bothered to press a GCD every 2.5s maybe. But even if you wall to wall pull. There’s not enough mobs to achieve this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    There aren’t enough enemies in a dungeon to pull more than the capabilities of a healer. The player themselves who can’t be bothered to press a GCD every 2.5s maybe. But even if you wall to wall pull. There’s not enough mobs to achieve this
    sigh I knew I shouldnt have bit. But I did.
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    Imora Dal'syn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    There aren’t enough enemies in a dungeon to pull more than the capabilities of a healer. The player themselves who can’t be bothered to press a GCD every 2.5s maybe. But even if you wall to wall pull. There’s not enough mobs to achieve this
    You've obviously never gotten the Tank That Doesn't Know What Mitigation Is.

    You can most certainly pull more than the healer can handle when you're not using CDs. Especially when the SCH is out of Aetherflow and Dissipation is on CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    You've obviously never gotten the Tank That Doesn't Know What Mitigation Is.

    You can most certainly pull more than the healer can handle when you're not using CDs. Especially when the SCH is out of Aetherflow and Dissipation is on CD.
    Yeah it happens every single day. A new or returning player, a bad tank, a bad healer, poorly geared, slow, etc. If you pull too much and die, then you pulled too much Lol. The correct amount to pull is the amount that keeps the group from wiping. More is over pulling.
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    There aren’t enough enemies in a dungeon to pull more than the capabilities of a healer. The player themselves who can’t be bothered to press a GCD every 2.5s maybe. But even if you wall to wall pull. There’s not enough mobs to achieve this
    Get you a tank in AF gear doing a max pull in the EX90 dungeon trash that isn't using his mitigation properly and you'll find that you won't be doing much of any DPS.

    Heck even in the 87 dungeon I had a Tank who managed to die while Haima, 2x 10% DR buffs and Regen effects were all active on him. He literally died between GCDs.

    It's very much a Tank problem if a healer can blow every single healing cooldown possible on them and then die in the spam of a single GCD.

    Many of the mobs in these trash pulls have mini tank busters.
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    Sathona Jun
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    I did the last 2 EW dungeons and both tanks were on-lvl geared but they did seem to take more damage than what ud expect.
    Didnt really pay attention to it on trials tho, since they are messy compared to 4man content.
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