Lithomancer (spoilers)

[ICountFrom0]

Lets try to keep the details of this fight, when, where, all that, toss it in the bin.

Just, what is this?

He was an arcanist originally right? Summoner isn't the rarest of soulstones, he might have been able to encounter one, right?

Instead it looks like he forged his own path completely?

Lithomancy is a form of divination by which the future is told using stones or the reflected light from the stones. The practice is most popular in the British Isles.

Not COMPLETELY from scratch mind you, given the british accent, but...

.. think he might have borrowed an old book from the twins?

[Cleretic]

The Scions have a couple of 'psuedo-jobs' that are effectively the same as one we get but named differently. Y'shtola is a Sorceress (Black mage), Alphinaud is an Academician (apparently a Summoner/Scholar combo).

[Alenore]

Well, Y'shotla has quite different spells : she uses the 6 elements, including Tornado and Flood, but in the end she Triplecast / Foul like a BLM. She's a mix of CNJ / BLM in that regard.

[Bhearil]

Well, Y'shotla has quite different spells : she uses the 6 elements, including Tornado and Flood, but in the end she Triplecast / Foul like a BLM. She's a mix of CNJ / BLM in that regard.

Add astrologian as well considering her iconic protection bubble.

Most of the Arcons seems to have mastered several jobs to a different degree and even if they lack the complete mastery the WoL has they compensate it by adding their personal touch by mixing other disciplines. Then we have pure peak job versions like Estinien The Supersaiyan Dragoon

[Jukor]

Conjurers in 1.0 originally had the 6 elements, and she was a conjurer all the way up until Shadowbringers, so it makes sense.

[ICountFrom0]

Just wish somebody had recorded a good focus view of him fighting so I could get a really good look.

[Archwizard]

Most of the Arcons seems to have mastered several jobs to a different degree and even if they lack the complete mastery the WoL has they compensate it by adding their personal touch by mixing other disciplines.

Ah, there's an explanation for this actually.

Job Stones are essentially a shortcut to training for a given fighting style. Each contains the sum knowledge of its previous owners -- but since they all used the stone in their training right up to the stone's original user, they all utilized the same version of that art, and simply refined it with each subsequent generation. Each Stone thus represents a highly specific style of that given art -- Mhachi-style Black Magic (instead of whatever Sadu or Y'shtola or Nyelbert use), Gyr Abanian-style Martial Arts (instead of Ronkan like Ran'jit uses), Nymian Scholarly arts (as opposed to Sharlayan like Alphinaud uses), etc.
The WoL can siphon knowledge directly from them with exceptional speed and ease, as if they were remembering those techniques firsthand in the middle of combat, but can only attune to one stone at a time -- and even then, only to the highly specific and refined version of the art within that stone. If they attune to another stone, all those generations of knowledge are tucked away and put into another box.

By contrast, the Archons don't use Job Stones -- they were formally trained in their arts over the course of several years, with no shortcuts. Thus, no limitations on when they can use this knowledge, just like the real world.
For instance, Thancred was trained in espionage from childhood, so he knows a few stealth techniques by heart he can use regardless of what job he's in, and has developed an intuitive knowledge on how to mix them with other skills. Y'shtola's training under Matoya yielded to her knowledge of several unique spells as well that require no particular foci, such as Flow or her Aether Sight. Hell, even Alphinaud's special Carbuncles were formulated by him.

On that same principle, in theory you could use class abilities in addition to your Job Stone (which I imagine is why we had the old system of cross-class skills)... but most of those are specific to a given weapon type (can't really throw a shield, knife or tomahawk if you're wielding a magic staff), or require a particular magical focus (like a wand of unrefined or blessed wood for Conjury arts).

[MirronTulaxia]

Lets try to keep the details of this fight, when, where, all that, toss it in the bin.

Just, what is this?

He was an arcanist originally right? Summoner isn't the rarest of soulstones, he might have been able to encounter one, right?

Instead it looks like he forged his own path completely?



Not COMPLETELY from scratch mind you, given the british accent, but...

.. think he might have borrowed an old book from the twins?

Even if Summoners aren’t rare, he doesn’t have the Echo, making actually being a Summoner kind of a risky proposition. I suppose he could theoretically do it and maybe easier than before, but in practice it’s probably not easy.

Unrelated to the lore stuff but I wish they let more trusts fill multiple roles. Give Thancred pseudo Ninja, Y’shtola pseudo White Mage. Unsure if the others could get anything easily (Alisaie has an old job as Arcanist as does Alphinaud but it would be kind of hard to make that work for roles), but it would make sense. I’m sure it’s more coding work though.

[Kranel_San]

Lorewise, nothing stops you from learning all BLM spells then using it alongside Summoner spells.
Gamewise, its for balancing.
The NPCs follow the first rule.
The players follow the second rule.