Some Sage Discussion

[Deceptus]

I know macros are a big no no, but the Toxikon proc remind me too much of HW DRK and the constant Dark Arts spamming, just with an extra button, so I made a macro which I call Toxikon Brevis (to stay with the theme. Edit: Mikrós would probably be better, but I don't know greek/latin outside Google Translate):

/micon Toxikon
/merror off
/ac Toxikon <t>
/ac Toxikon <tt>
/ac Eukrasia <wait.1>
/ac Diagnosis

If anyone wants to use it feel free ( I don't recommend using it for anything other than proccing Toxikon). Otherwise I like Sage. In some ways it feels like they have taken all off-global cooldowns from WHM and SCH and smashed them into one class. Holos feels like it could just be a trait upgrade of Ixochole with an extra charge. Currently I'm only lvl 79 so looking forward to try out the rest of the SGE kit.

With it's 1s internal recast time, Eukrasia is perfect for a <wait.1> macro. Being a SCH main I have a very simple:

/macroicon [Adloquinium]
/ac [Eukrasia] <wait.1>
/ac [Diagnosis] Diagnosis <t>

/macroicon [Succor]
/ac [Eukrasia] <wait.1>
/ac [Prognosis]

/macroicon [Bio]
/ac [Eukrasia] <wait.1>
/ac [Dosis] <t>

I have yet to have any of them fail me.

[Ironthorne]

So..I nearly let my tank die trying to weave in Pneuma. SE...why?

[Archwizard]

So..I nearly let my tank die trying to weave in Pneuma. SE...why?

Weave... in...? Pneuma's a GCD, not an ability.

Not to mention it's your strongest GCD heal, I'm not sure what heal you were giving up to "weave" it.

Legit sounds like you're complaining you nearly let your tank die trying to cast Cure II.

[CharlotteSilver]

So..I nearly let my tank die trying to weave in Pneuma. SE...why?

You're using Pnuema wrong.

[Ironthorne]

Weave... in...? Pneuma's a GCD, not an ability.

Not to mention it's your strongest GCD heal, I'm not sure what heal you were giving up to "weave" it.

Legit sounds like you're complaining you nearly let your tank die trying to cast Cure II.

You're using Pnuema wrong.

You're all missing the point. The point is that it's an action with 120s recast timer, and everyone was comparing it to assize, so I just assumed it was an oGCD. That's why the first time I attempted to use it in a dungeon, I was confused why I couldn't use it.

I wasn't complaining, just merely voicing my confusion, since I haven't played any jobs with a spell that has a long recast timer.

[JanVanding]

I'm going to borrow a quote from Mr Happy here.

"If Sages were given any buffs, what's the point of even using any of the other 3 healers?"

We are in an excellent spot, there's just a learning curve to adhere to when it comes to them.

That said I'd absolutely make Toxikon an OGCD, it's a movement button sure (we already have Phlegma for that to be fair) but the fact it costs addersting, is only damage neutral except when used as an opener and is a GCD makes it a very clumsy resource spender.

[ty_taurus]

I'm going to borrow a quote from Mr Happy here.

"If Sages were given any buffs, what's the point of even using any of the other 3 healers?"

We are in an excellent spot, there's just a learning curve to adhere to when it comes to them.

That said I'd absolutely make Toxikon an OGCD, it's a movement button sure (we already have Phlegma for that to be fair) but the fact it costs addersting, is only damage neutral except when used as an opener and is a GCD makes it a very clumsy resource spender.

I still strongly would like to see its potency upgraded to 660 to make it DPS neutral rather than use it as an OGCD because then it feel like a nice way to diverge from Dosis once in a while. We could also make it a 75% damage drop off for secondary targets instead of 50% for AoE if they feel like it's necessary for balance, but all I really want is just a smidge more variation in my GCD DPS because that would also make me use E. Diagnosis which I currently almost never do beyond between pulls in dungeons. Even E. Prognosis has some clear uses for me even if rare.

[CKNovel]

I'm going to borrow a quote from Mr Happy here.

"If Sages were given any buffs, what's the point of even using any of the other 3 healers?"

We are in an excellent spot, there's just a learning curve to adhere to when it comes to them.

Nah, if Sage isn't given any buff, why would you bring a Sage? Just bring a SCH.
Happy is... Not the youtuber I'd quote, he has a respectable experience with the game but not all of his words are the absolute truth. IMO they're often far from the truth and the kind of guy to be baited by flashing things, but that's another topic.

Sage will inevitably suffers the comparison from SCH.
A lot of tools are much better than SGE's tools, Protraction, Expedient, Excog are all amazing tools.
In comparison SGE got Krasis that traded 10% max hp for 10% healing (on all action, including tank cooldowns).

Holos and Expedient, Expedient wins.
Reason behind that is simple to me, Holos has a heal AND its mitig lats 20 seconds. Where do you use that? During a long series of raid wide? Before those raidwide when your team will be already topped?
Expedient can be used before to snapshot the most raidwide and has the sprint if you need to move. I can think of a lot of situation in ultimate where Expedient would've made a lot of players nerdgasm.
On top of that, SCH has Fey Blessing that is probably the healing part of Holos. SGE is SCH but with a lot of button merged together. You have to press less buttons but you don't have the flexibility, if you want to mitig AoE you will use Kerachole and/or Holos, SCH can use Sacred Soil and Expedient, then use Fey Blessing.

Pepsis is okay but will never be considered for single target healing. The only scenario I can see pepsis used is after a transition when there is no target and your team lost a bunch of hp.
Or your team needs to move a lot, there is no target and you need to heal during that time, UCOB and Heavensfall or example. If there is a target and you need Burst Heal, Zoe+Pneuma.
Even then, on my test with current BiS, 2 Progonis heal for 11k, Eukrasian prognosis + Pepsis heals for 1.7k and 6.4k respectively. I can't think of a situation where your shield is half damaged and you want to break it, that would need too much setup of a low reward when you can just have your AST using its Star or Zoe+Pneuma yourself.
Oh and Ixochole heals for 7.5k.

Then, the weakest tool of the whole SGE kit is in my opinion Rhizomata. Its cooldown is too high for its effect.
It has to be compared to Recitation that makes an ability free and critical. Not only "free" means you can use it at 3 aetherflow, there is also a critical on it!

IMO, SGE wins on SCH with Kerachole and Pneuma, despite its cooldown far too long. I can't be exactly sure about Seraphin and Haima/Panhaima.
Other than that, SGE should remain good enough for harder content.

[JanVanding]

I still strongly would like to see its potency upgraded to 660 to make it DPS neutral rather than use it as an OGCD because then it feel like a nice way to diverge from Dosis once in a while. We could also make it a 75% damage drop off for secondary targets instead of 50% for AoE if they feel like it's necessary for balance, but all I really want is just a smidge more variation in my GCD DPS because that would also make me use E. Diagnosis which I currently almost never do beyond between pulls in dungeons. Even E. Prognosis has some clear uses for me even if rare.

I actually use E. Diagnosis for tank busters (combined with Taruchole) and E Prognosis > Pepsis for burst healing on raid wides if Ixicon is on cooldown

E.Diagnosis is also great for pre buffing before the pull

Zoe > E.Diagnosis > Kerrachole then into opener.

Kerrachole is probably our singular best button, 30 seconds cooldown, 15 seconds mitigation and regen with 7% MP restore is insanely good.

[MagiusNecros]

I like the fact that Sage is really busy. Feels like HW Dark Knight on a healer. Such a fun job.