Some Sage Discussion

[NobleWinter]

I really like Pepsis in particular because it changes the timing of your shielding to be more intuitive with the way a Scholar plays to avoid overwriting each other. Scholar has bigger shields so they are the logical choice to use a GCD shield for the party before damage comes out if needed. Once a cast bar for a raid wide starts a Scholar who still needs to GCD heal is going to use Emergency Tactics to transform their next Succor or Adlo into raw healing. A Sage in the same party would use Eukrasion Prognosis/Diagnosis to burst heal AFTER damage goes out to take advantage of Pepsis and convert their barriers into more healing. Emergency Tactics tells a Scholar to Shield before damage happens. Pepsis tells a Sage to Shield after because if the shields are absorbed by damage Pepsis can't be used. If you understand both toolkits you shouldn't ever be overwriting GCD shields and this entire situation assumes that both healers are completely out of oGCDs to begin with. I'm actually very pleased by the shield healers synergy. Pepsis is clever in that regard although it feels very odd for anyone coming from Scholar since it's the reverse of what your habits are.

[Miziliti]

I really like Pepsis in particular because it changes the timing of your shielding to be more intuitive with the way a Scholar plays to avoid overwriting each other. Scholar has bigger shields so they are the logical choice to use a GCD shield for the party before damage comes out if needed. Once a cast bar for a raid wide starts a Scholar who still needs to GCD heal is going to use Emergency Tactics to transform their next Succor or Adlo into raw healing. A Sage in the same party would use Eukrasion Prognosis/Diagnosis to burst heal AFTER damage goes out to take advantage of Pepsis and convert their barriers into more healing. Emergency Tactics tells a Scholar to Shield before damage happens. Pepsis tells a Sage to Shield after because if the shields are absorbed by damage Pepsis can't be used. If you understand both toolkits you shouldn't ever be overwriting GCD shields and this entire situation assumes that both healers are completely out of oGCDs to begin with. I'm actually very pleased by the shield healers synergy. Pepsis is clever in that regard although it feels very odd for anyone coming from Scholar since it's the reverse of what your habits are.

I still vastly prefer emergency tactics where I can pure heal on demand. Shields that are already applied to party members often better left alone instead of getting destroyed by pepsis.
Even in dungeon, the shield I pepsis'd end up making me heal harder after the next aoe damage taken. For now I only use pepsis to purposely rid of low duration shield, so I can reapply new one to the party.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

After some discussion with a healer main friend, we stumbled on a dead end: what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead? Sure SCH too had a hard time but they’re not 100% hopeless to solo heal a living dead. At least on SCH I can semi-plan Emergency Tactic by having the buff active & use it within next 15s window before repeating it 2nd time for quick bursts of heals. This helped me to squeeze in two ET'd Adlo within LD's tight 9s window in addition to other existing resources (Obviously the best answer would be not to letting them proc the invuln at all, but still...)

I’d guess Zoe would be incorporated, but with what? Pepsis is hilariously weak unless you’re trying to refresh your shield’s timer when you accidentally applied the former too soon to catch incoming damage.

[Deceptus]

After some discussion with a healer main friend, we stumbled on a dead end: what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead?

Same as SCH honestly, hope you have resources saved up and spam DuoChloe or a Zoe > Euk/Diag > Pepsis

But if you're low on resources because the DRK didn't pre-plan the use (aka everything is going to sh!t), then yeah LD is almost always a death sentence if you're not a WHM

[Hysterior]

what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead?

hope you have resources saved up and spam DuoChloe or a Zoe > Euk/Diag > Pepsis

Yeah... I think best option is: Living Dead > Dead Dead
Just raise and use your cooldowns later

SGE really struggles to get HP back up, but I think it might be the same with SCH.
Death is very punishing for barrier healers

[Dearche]

After some discussion with a healer main friend, we stumbled on a dead end: what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead?

Frankly, it's to avoid it at all costs.

Unless if it's preplanned, it's just better to either desperately try to avoid triggering Walking Dead, or just give up on the DRK and ready a Raise. If I think that I don't stand a good chance at preventing Walking Dead from triggering, that's what I would do, as seeing Living Dead pop up on the buff bar means I'm not panicking enough.

There's simply no way if you're doing a half decent job at managing your CDs, that you'll have enough of the right ones up to recover from Living Dead on your own. It's far worse than as SCH, as the most important skill for SCH to use on Living Dead is ETactics, which has such a short CD that you'll almost never be without it when you need it. And if you have Recitation up, that's like 70% HP on a single GCD.

For SGE, if you don't have Pneuma or Durochole up, you stand no chance at recovering from Living Dead I believe. Even with one of them, it'll be a struggle to do it, and you'll be doing it while ignoring the rest of the party, so hope that nobody else needs additional healing beyond the AOEs you're using for the sake of that DRK until you've recovered a bit of your resources.

[Liam_Harper]

After some discussion with a healer main friend, we stumbled on a dead end: what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead?

Make your co-heal do it, Swift-Rez, make your DRK mitigate or bring another tank.

Living Dead is an issue with DRK more than Sage tbh. Even if you can solo heal it, it's a resource drain and a thorn in our side.

[HyperiusUltima]

Make your co-heal do it, Swift-Rez, make your DRK mitigate or bring another tank.

Living Dead is an issue with DRK more than Sage tbh. Even if you can solo heal it, it's a resource drain and a thorn in our side.

SGE's answer to Living Dead, at full resources: Throw on that 20% Heal Buff, Zoe+Pneuma for a giant heal before going to Ixochole/Taurochole. Physis if you have to or put Haima to prevent damage while you heal. Soteria also is important as people more often than not forget about it - especially with how strong it is per GCD. 4.5k per GCD means you can fit 17k worth of Healing just by rolling your GCD alone 4 times. It's resource intensive, but SGE has the tools to bring up Living Dead by itself if it must.

If it comes down to it, Pepsi(s) and Diagnosis spam may be your only choices of recourse if you don't have Rhizomata or any Addersgall ready(and even then that tells that either you screwed up or too many other people in the party screwed your resources by getting hit by avoidable damage).

[HyoMinPark]

SGE's answer to Living Dead, at full resources: Throw on that 20% Heal Buff, Zoe+Pneuma for a giant heal before going to Ixochole/Taurochole. Physis if you have to or put Haima to prevent damage while you heal. Soteria also is important as people more often than not forget about it - especially with how strong it is per GCD. 4.5k per GCD means you can fit 17k worth of Healing just by rolling your GCD alone 4 times. It's resource intensive, but SGE has the tools to bring up Living Dead by itself if it must.

If it comes down to it, Pepsi(s) and Diagnosis spam may be your only choices of recourse if you don't have Rhizomata or any Addersgall ready(and even then that tells that either you screwed up or too many other people in the party screwed your resources by getting hit by avoidable damage).

In other words, too much of a resource drain. It would be better to just raise the DRK—you’d spend much less on them that way.

I would like Holos better if it applied just a shield with the damage reduction. Would feel easier to use since i wouldn’t be wasting that healing for the damage reduction.

I find Holos useful if you have back-to-back raidwides—it heals the first and mitigates the second, so you and your co-heal spend less resources healing the second. You can find more uses for the mitigation versus the healing, in my opinion. Multi-hit raid wides where you won’t have Panhaima (e.g., Ahk Morn, Neo-Exdeath’s punchies pre-enrage, E12S pre-enrage, E2S pre-enrage) are a wonderful place for the initial heal + mitigation for subsequent hits. In more casual content like dungeons, I personally use it on trash packs, since the initial heal gives the tank a top-off, and then there’s the mitigation for subsequent trash pack autos.

I don’t really think I’d want it to apply a shield though. Depending on the situation where you use it, the shield won’t be as beneficial as a heal top-off.

I feel like some DRK low key hate SGE. Every time doing a dungeon with DRK as SGE is a wild ride for me.

I think this is just a lot of DRKs not utilizing proper mitigation; or perhaps not even understanding their kits. I run in to WAY too many that think their only cooldown is TBN, and refuse to use much else. I’ve seen some that completely ignore things like Reprisal and Arm’s Length on trash packs in dungeons. Some that save Rampart and Shadow Wall for bosses. I had one in the level 90 MSQ dungeon that used Oblation twice. During boss fights. Never on trash. That same DRK also used Dark Missionary and Dark Mind on packs of all physical-hitting mobs. So you can imagine how much fun I had with them…

[HyperiusUltima]

In other words, too much of a resource drain. It would be better to just raise the DRK—you’d spend much less on them that way.

And this is where DRK has an invuln mechanic issue. That's for the DRK Mega Thread that literally has been yelling at the top of their lungs how Living Dead is horribly designed.