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  1. #1
    Player
    FoxCh40s's Avatar
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    Source Eldion
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Honestly, Sage requires you to be a bit of a paranoid Healer, and prepare for damage rather than react to it. It is very much like 2.0 Scholar where you prepare and null damage before it happens rather than following the White Mage/Diurnal Mindset.

    Funny enough, your Ex Diag is where you get your punch of healing. The job very much does evolve its priorities as it gets higher on in level, requiring you to shift your focus from Dro to Kerachole and Physis as your go to combo. Terachole is your bread and butter, and you should basically have those on cooldown at all times in dungeons.

    Sage doesn't really struggle with getting hp up fast, but the methodology is very much different than the other healers. Sage definitely does require a more practiced hand from a veteran healer to use effectively out of the gate, as knowledge of previous mechanics and healer Spidey Sense help as well.
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    Szylver's Avatar
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    Lalita Lolita
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I kinda feel the devs don't understand us or maybe players from Asia are very diferent from NA/EU. All i see in the forums are people wanting better DPS rotations or more fun DPS rotations. But they gave us SGE a healer with Healing Rotations... idk SGE isn't really my style. To many buttons for cheap healing, "clicking 3 rotations" to keep tanks alive... the spells look cool at least.
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    Yesunova Hotgo
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    Balmung
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Szylver View Post
    I kinda feel the devs don't understand us or maybe players from Asia are very diferent from NA/EU. All i see in the forums are people wanting better DPS rotations or more fun DPS rotations. But they gave us SGE a healer with Healing Rotations... idk SGE isn't really my style. To many buttons for cheap healing, "clicking 3 rotations" to keep tanks alive... the spells look cool at least.
    The request for more fun DPS rotations is mainly because most of the time we're not actually healing and the problem is that it is boring as heck. And it seems like the best way to handle that problem whilst respecting the game's design and healing difficulty. A lot of the time, we fend off people who make the fallacy "if you want to DPS play a DPS" and it's true, but we actually want to heal, DPS is just a part of it.

    As one on the "we need better DPS" side of the argument, I am still game for busier healing, because ultimately my main complaint is that Broil and Art of War spams with 30% healing 70% DPSing ratio to be really, really dull, SCH used to handle this problem with a better DPS rotation, but the best version of SCH for me has always been 2.0 and finding similarities of it in SGE I think is going to make me want to hold onto it. I like that it feels weaker because it means I feel like I have more to do. But at the same time, it isn't actually weak, it just has a higher difficulty curve to learn and benefits from you reading encounters more.

    But I think it is good that not everybody likes SGE. I think all healers should play differently and appeal to different healing styles, because if you don't like how SGE heals, you might like how WHM heals as an example. I find the big problem has generally been "healers should do this, healers should do that" whereas it should be a lot more job-specific...because otherwise what you get is a more homogenised approach.
    SGE has more DPS tools and a weaker pure healing kit but shines with its shields and damage reduction? Great, that's the kind of kit that I want and missed from 2.0 SCH. Sure it's DPS tools are a step down from 2.0 SCH, how busy I've felt so far I feel compensates it. Though that may change but I hope not.

    I feel like the danger with the complaints about it feeling week is that do what they did to 2.0 SCH, give it better heals and find suddenly it's OP. Because the people who've optimised it better will be able to output even more DPS.
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Szylver View Post
    I kinda feel the devs don't understand us or maybe players from Asia are very diferent from NA/EU. All i see in the forums are people wanting better DPS rotations or more fun DPS rotations. But they gave us SGE a healer with Healing Rotations... idk SGE isn't really my style. To many buttons for cheap healing, "clicking 3 rotations" to keep tanks alive... the spells look cool at least.
    Yeah I think you should play WHM and i'm not mocking you about this.
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    Szylver's Avatar
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    Lalita Lolita
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    Yeah I think you should play WHM and i'm not mocking you about this.
    i'm not gonna play the job you want. Have a nice day.
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    Last edited by Szylver; 12-26-2021 at 12:12 PM.

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    Shiru Elysia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Szylver View Post
    i'm not gonna play the job you want. Have a nice day.
    Uh ?
    I don't care what you play, I don't want anything from you, I don't know you.

    But considering what you said, I was suggesting a healer that should suits your taste better.
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 99
    After getting past the brutal solo duty, I'm finding my opinion of Sage has somewhat changed. I still feel the job is overly busy for a healer. However, it's not underpowered. Sage is fully capable healing job. It's just different.

    I found the key to playing a Sage is to play it like the Scholar you always wanted to play. Without the fairy, of course. Sorry, Eos.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    After getting past the brutal solo duty, I'm finding my opinion of Sage has somewhat changed. I still feel the job is overly busy for a healer. However, it's not underpowered. Sage is fully capable healing job. It's just different.

    I found the key to playing a Sage is to play it like the Scholar you always wanted to play. Without the fairy, of course. Sorry, Eos.
    I'd agree it's busy but it's "shield" which is what is supposed to be the core of it's gameplay is extremely weak.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Makeda Fyah
    World
    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    I still feel the job is overly busy for a healer.
    That how I feel about Astrologian. The difference for me is everything a Sage does seems to directly relate to something tangible for them making for smooth intuitive gameplay. Astrologion is always interrupting itself with a wholly unrelated side game of card management.
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    Riviera Koji
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    Coeurl
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    Dragoon Lv 42
    So, walking dead or living dead?
    If wd, well krasis into physis into zoe e. prognosis into pepsis + druochole.

    If it's just ld, well, kindly ask your drk to never use it again, and then just cast krasia/psysis + haima for dungeons or krasis /psysis + taurochole/kerachole + holos of it's really a lot
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