Look at the state of the forums.

[MintnHoney]

...dump on a company they really don't even know.

This is a company, a business, offering a service, that you're talking about.
This is not your friend, they are not a colleague, or a partner, or even a bystander.

People are allowed to be unhappy with a service, and complain about a company providing said service, when it is not meeting expectations. As much as you want them to get over their frustrations, you really need to get over them having frustrations.

[Lillith1047]

This is a company, a business, offering a service, that you're talking about.
This is not your friend, they are not a colleague, or a partner, or even a bystander.

People are allowed to be unhappy with a service, and complain about a company providing said service, when it is not meeting expectations. As much as you want them to get over their frustrations, you really need to get over them having frustrations.

And they have that right, but, I still see a product they promised, not their fault other games flopped and everyone is flocking here last minute. They're not clairvoyant. Ease up. This is why companies half-ass everything now, and you guys just scream harder at them.

[ZetsubouX]

I am sort of a WoW-refugee. (Although I quit WoW and MMOs in general after Classic BWL, I jumped on the bandwagon to FF14 because I stumbled onto Zepla's youtube channel and saw that this game was actually awesome, plus I played FF games as a kid.)
But I sure as hell don't support the whiners, moaners and Karens on these forums.

They're giving the developers a really distorted view of the playerbase mentality with all these endless posts that are nothing but whine in complete disregard for the reasons as to why these problems are occurring.

I'm kind of worried, because this happened on WoW too and turned it into a really shit game over the years. Whiners took over the forums and were shouting louder than everyone else like a bunch of toddlers, the game became super casual and in game systems transformed into this weird time-based "Do your dailies every day!" nonsensical design that really just made the game horrible.

On WoW classic it was even worse. Roughly when I quit after a raid called Blackwing Lair was (re)released, people started to do what was called GDKP's. (Gold Dragon Killing Point-raids.)

They essentially played into the hand of gold sellers and even went as far as becoming the gold seller's source of gold, selling the gold they made newer players or alts of players pay to be able to enjoy the raid content.

Of course, they did this for selfish reasons. And it resulted in the game dying. (Surprise!)

Similarly, I believe that if developers listen to these children crying endlessly about whatever triggered them on the latest patch, they'll start to implement changes that will not be good for the majority of the playerbase.

I mean, of course error 2002 needs to be looked at, but people don't understand that the queue getting error 2002 is far better than the server getting overloaded and shutting down. Sure, it isn't better "for them", but that's the catch, isn't it?
They're selfish and entitled and don't realise that their solutions would make the situation much, much worse, for anyone, but them.

Also, I think people are actually starting conspiracy theory type nonsense by claiming, without proof, that there are "loads of people" successfully circumventing the AFK-boot out. These sorts of things also happened frequently with WoW during the entire WoW history.

I just hope that the developers at Square Enix realise that the majority of the playerbase is actually enjoying the launch of EW, even if they have to wait for queues, or get up early in the morning to circumvent them.

Take my FC for example, people are just joking around about the queue and celebrating when someone manages to log on. Much more light-hearted than these children who come to these forums to cry wolf.

[Poporito_Popoto]

This is a company, a business, offering a service, that you're talking about.
This is not your friend, they are not a colleague, or a partner, or even a bystander.

People are allowed to be unhappy with a service, and complain about a company providing said service, when it is not meeting expectations. As much as you want them to get over their frustrations, you really need to get over them having frustrations.

Adults can handle disappointment.

Toddlers throw tantrums.

[MintnHoney]

Adults can handle disappointment.

Toddlers throw tantrums.

Adults are unallowed to have a response, positive or negative, to external stimuli.

Your world is a very difficult one.

[ardrej]

Believe it from someone who worked retail, there's been no only "negative responses" but outright tantrums in the forums

[Darksummoner]

Adults can handle disappointment.

Toddlers throw tantrums.

Toddlers are ignorant to how things work. They know no better. Adults however pay for something that they know about and expect that product to be delivered. Throwing away free money is NOT a adult thing. Or then again for some immature adults it is. I was to be a responsible adult. Not a toddler. Square-Enix and their greed as gotten in the way. They had longggggggg before Covid to upgrade their servers. Sorry. But no excuses anymore.

[Zabuza]

Toddlers are ignorant to how things work. They know no better. Adults however pay for something that they know about and expect that product to be delivered. Throwing away free money is NOT a adult thing. Or then again for some immature adults it is. I was to be a responsible adult. Not a toddler. Square-Enix and their greed as gotten in the way. They had longggggggg before Covid to upgrade their servers. Sorry. But no excuses anymore.

So you're telling me that people here aren't being ignorant as to how things work?

Saying that SE should've predicted the massive exodus from that other game that happened mere months before Endwalker's launch.
Telling SE to just 'get more servers it's easy' in a time when a semiconductor shortage is plaguing the entire industry.
Telling SE 'just move the game to the cloud bro'.
Acting like SE ruined their life and wants them to suffer.

You're telling me those people who act according to these specific examples aren't ignorant of how things work regarding this situation? That they're not unreasonably stamping their feet?

[Darksummoner]

So you're telling me that people here aren't being ignorant as to how things work?

Saying that SE should've predicted the massive exodus from that other game that happened mere months before Endwalker's launch.
Telling SE to just 'get more servers it's easy' in a time when a semiconductor shortage is plaguing the entire industry.
Telling SE 'just move the game to the cloud bro'.
Acting like SE ruined their life and wants them to suffer.

You're telling me those people who act according to these specific examples aren't ignorant of how things work regarding this situation? That they're not unreasonably stamping their feet?

So from what I am being told by many people in game, SE knew of the server congestion wayyyyy before Covid even started. Now with that bit of info they should have upgraded and installed new servers way before then. A responsible company would have had things ordered and supplied for back up just in case their game took off on a rollercoaster. No matter how we want to word it, SE did not prepare and take into consideration any of this. Which on their part that is poor poor management.

Also from what I being told SE also knew of their server issues wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in Stormblood. Again that points back to above where I mentioned they should have had servers ordered and ready for just in case things picked up like they did now. I am sorry, but no amount of 'White Knighting' can fix their F ups.


EDIT.....I am not a professional in servers and how they work. But what I do have is a lot of friends who do work in that type of business and deal with it on a 8 to 10 hours basis daily. I could explain more but I don't want to type all that up. I am just being told SE has ways around it all if they choose to give up the money to do it.

[Dyvid]

So from what I am being told by many people in game, SE knew of the server congestion wayyyyy before Covid even started. Now with that bit of info they should have upgraded and installed new servers way before then. A responsible company would have had things ordered and supplied for back up just in case their game took off on a rollercoaster. No matter how we want to word it, SE did not prepare and take into consideration any of this. Which on their part that is poor poor management.

Also from what I being told SE also knew of their server issues wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in Stormblood. Again that points back to above where I mentioned they should have had servers ordered and ready for just in case things picked up like they did now. I am sorry, but no amount of 'White Knighting' can fix their F ups.


EDIT.....I am not a professional in servers and how they work. But what I do have is a lot of friends who do work in that type of business and deal with it on a 8 to 10 hours basis daily. I could explain more but I don't want to type all that up. I am just being told SE has ways around it all if they choose to give up the money to do it.

Honestly, we didn't have an issue really until Blizzard imploded, pissing on it's fanbase and cause a mass migration to other games. It had a minor queue of like 28 people but only last maybe a minute max before you got in. Not the fault of Ex-WoW players mind you, but nobody expected FFXIV population to explode of the past few months.