So how is whm doing?

[Daleb]

I love WHM but is agree it's not the best it could be.
One thing that always bothered me about the 5.0 rework is how Cure II and Afflatus Solace and Medica and Afflatus Rapture are the exact same buttons but for some reason need to be separate buttons. Under no circumstances have i ever found myself wanting to cast Cure 2 over Afflatus Solace when i had a lily stack ready. So why not turn these buttons into 1 via trait and use the extra room we freed up for things missing from WHM toolkit?

I generally try to keep at least one available for "I need to heal and move" moments, so if I only have one I'll usually use cure II/medica rather than burn it. If I've got more than one though yeah, no sense not using it.

[Salle]

I'ts WHM, played some wall to wall pulls with the new instances and nothing feels much different.
if you like playing reactive (none shield with strong heal throughput) then that's what you still get as a playstyle.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

• The new 1.5s nuke cast time feels better, but that's for healers in general; it looks visually weird for WHM, especially under the effect of PoM though. Our WoL must be -that- good with their stomach crunches.
• I get to weave in Benison & any other abilities freely. That's a positive. Lilies often sits at 3 stacks unused though...
• Speaking of lilies, I wish their potencies are set to be slightly stronger than regular Cure II. I wish for Misery's potency to be ramped up as well.
• Still haven't seen MP problem just yet outside super super super terrible runs, but we'll see for sure when raids are here.
• The Thin Air change has made me use it more strictly to get off a free raise rather than for Cure III or even Medica II. We are early into an expansion so I'm seeing a lot more deaths than usual, yet I expect this button will be more abandoned later on.
• My [1] hotkey will probably start to cry sometime soon... lol

[althenawhm]

Just got Lillybell, I mean, I just got Liturgy of the Bell and boy is that skill underwhelming.
The cooldown is obviously too long, and the potency is far too weak if you dont get hit enough.
Only really useful for Ahk Morns, but I dont think a skill should only have a use against an extremely small selection of opponents.

[Mortex]

Whm is ok and that’s it. Astro is just way better in all situations and has infinite mana and a million ogcd tools.

[Silver-Strider]

I would be all for a heal four that really hones in the fact the white mage is the defacto king of pure healing by providing a % based regen effect based on health that provides more healing as the target gets weaker. A supreme heal defining spell maybe. Cure 4 600 potency+regen 2.

WHM doesn't need more direct healing abilities. We have a plethora of those. We need an overhaul because some minor rework isn't gonna cut it at this point.

[elioaiko]

WHM is the same for better or worse.

Agree with Lilybell's needing a CD reduction because 3 is way too long same goes with Sage's Haima, which should be 90s

1.5s feel great so no more clipping and proper weaving.

WHM not having a raid buff is something they want to avoid as they likely want AST and SCH to be buffers while SGE and WHM are personal.

They probably want WHM to be simple and there's not more to add to simple.

[Liam_Harper]

I think that rly lacking any hint of nuance. Sure, m2 does more over time, but that's the tradeoff of a HoT - more if you can afford to wait.
Liturgy on 3min cd. C3's the highest group heal that's spammable, and you can thin air at least one of them if necessary. Idk, it just feels comfy to me, and it's easy enough to precast for stacks. If ppl spread out, can plenary too yeah.

After 6 seconds Medica II is almost the same potency as Cure III. After 9 seconds it outright beats it. Raidwide mechanics very rarely hit within less than 6-9 seconds of each other, which means waiting for the HoT isn't much of a tradeoff and Medica II is almost always better. For the rare situations (usually once or twice per fight) where you get back-to-back heavy raid damage, Lilybell covers it. Cure III spam just isn't necessary anywhere, it's a new healer panic reaction.

They probably want WHM to be simple and there's not more to add to simple.

Even if they didn't add many more buttons there are plenty of improvements they could make.

-Thin Air nerf reverted.
-Assize gets 2 charges
-Tetra either gets 2 charges or a cooldown reduction
-Aquaveil actually does something useful like Exaltation
-WHM gets an oGCD that grants some lilies (WHM is the only healer that starts empty on their main heal until 30 sec into a fight)
-Lilies become dps neutral.
-Freecure is deleted.
-Holy, Medica I+II, Cure II have a 1.5 sec cast.
-Cure III radius increased to 8-10y and potency to 700.

Sounds like a lot of "buffs" until you realize AST would still be the better healer. There are so many QoL tweaks and small improvements WHM should have got, without even needing to change the class much.

[Silver-Strider]

WHM is the same for better or worse.

Agree with Lilybell's needing a CD reduction because 3 is way too long same goes with Sage's Haima, which should be 90s

1.5s feel great so no more clipping and proper weaving.

WHM not having a raid buff is something they want to avoid as they likely want AST and SCH to be buffers while SGE and WHM are personal.

They probably want WHM to be simple and there's not more to add to simple.

Being simple doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement and the changes WHM got are far from making the job simpler. Bell is so niche that its practically useless in every situation outside of its niche as its just a worse Earthly Star for the most part. The Nerf to Thin Air has also made death much harder to recover from as a WHM since you're pretty much reliant on Lucid Dreaming as we lose any Lilies we had while Assize barely breaks even with Glare and is completely eclipsed by our still costly GCD healing toolkit. All WHM got that I would count as a net positive thing is Aqua Veil and even that pales in comparison to AST's Exaltation.

Overall this expansion has been horrible for WHM

[Iedarus]

Make lilies give mana and make Misery DPS neutral and WHM will be significantly more competitive with AST.