Will SMN really stay like it is rn?

[IncrediblyConfused]

Hey people,

first of all: this is not a rant, because I really wanted to play this job and still want to get where the appeal to it is now.

So.. I've been looking for a dps job to enjoy and since RDM was a lot of fun to me in Shb I thought about picking up another caster, SMN.

Leveling the old summoner was sometimes weird, sometimes fun but definitely not boring and what we got now in Endwalker is... confusing... it somehow manages to be more simple than rdm and it has no interesting twists at all.. and it's making me sad.

I feel like I press only two buttons that change depending on the primal summons and I wonder if there is more to the job than this? The OGCD's are fun but there are phases where I just spam one button for either AOE or single target.. there is no need to look at a ressource except for the summoning timer and I just don't feel challenged by anything when it comes to this job.

Am I missing something? I have been thinking about boosting a different job because smn really ruined my day and I want to partake in this expansion now and not after leveling another job to 80 for days. Can someone who enjoys this job tell me where the appeal is now?

Thanks!

[Dyvid]

In short, yes. SE never makes any major mechanic changes during a expansion cycle.

[IdowhatIwant]

In short, yes. SE never makes any major mechanic changes during a expansion cycle.

Not true. There is usually one maybe two major mechanic changes during an expansion cycle.
Read your patch notes.

[Teno]

Most likely the same until 7.0 or later considering other jobs like scholar and dark knight have been gutted in 5.0 and they're still in the same state one expansion later. Or maybe it'll get one more buttton to press if it follows the evolution of machinist's rework.

[Laphicet]

This goes for everyone making a dozen diffrent threads on every little issue. STOP MAKING DIFFRENT THREADS.

PUT IT IN ONE OF THE TWO MAIN SUMMONER THREADS, JUST PICK ONE. SPREADING CRITICISM OR COMPLAINTS AROUND JUST MAKES IT LESS LIKELY TO BE SEEN. AND JUST BECAUSE A THREAD ISNT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF NEW POSTS DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST.

This isn't reddit, so don't use it like it's reddit.

But to answer your question, all you need to do is look to DRK, MCH, and Healers for your answer. W̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶d̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶s̶h̶i̶-̶P̶,̶ ̶"̶I̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶c̶l̶a̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶k̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶H̶W̶,̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶.̶"̶

[HappyHubris]

W̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶d̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶s̶h̶i̶-̶P̶,̶ ̶"̶I̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶c̶l̶a̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶k̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶H̶W̶,̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶.̶"̶

Now now. It's more like "We hear your concerns but believe cannot make those changes without negatively impacting the community. So the same message, but nicer.

[meowmaou]

W̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶d̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶s̶h̶i̶-̶P̶,̶ ̶"̶I̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶c̶l̶a̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶k̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶H̶W̶,̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶.̶"̶

A bit off-topic, but I'd like to know what jobs people currently consider to be the more complex and engaging ones as of EW. As an ex MNK main thanks to the EW changes. The itch I used to be able to scratch is currently unscratchable.

[OtakuSempai]

A bit off-topic, but I'd like to know what jobs people currently consider to be the more complex and engaging ones as of EW. As an ex MNK main thanks to the EW changes. The itch I used to be able to scratch is currently unscratchable.

I second this.

[Niyuka]

I second this.

First impression: Reaper at 90 is quite a dynamic optimization puzzle. Its certainly more complex than SAM or MNK (my previous mains) were in Shb, and more than any of the tanks by a mile. Not sure if it reaches NIN levels from Shb.

On topic of summoner. I am absolutely excited that SE finally took it into the direction of an actual summoner, and not an obvious and weak copy of the Affliction lock from WoW. It always felt like a bad transplant from that game.
Now they have to iterate on its complexity and decision space. I hope they do, and I think the current framework allows for inclusion of new summons rather more easily (one more lego stone, adjust some timings, or (gasp!) actually force you to choose between legos!), and so have hopes for its future.
Its still more complex than ShB Dancer.

[meowmaou]

First impression: Reaper at 90 is quite a dynamic optimization puzzle. Its certainly more complex than SAM or MNK (my previous mains) were in Shb, and more than any of the tanks by a mile. Not sure if it reaches NIN levels from Shb.

On topic of summoner. I am absolutely excited that SE finally took it into the direction of an actual summoner, and not an obvious and weak copy of the Affliction lock from WoW. It always felt like a bad transplant from that game.
Now they have to iterate on its complexity and decision space. I hope they do, and I think the current framework allows for inclusion of new summons rather more easily (one more lego stone, adjust some timings, or (gasp!) actually force you to choose between legos!), and so have hopes for its future.
Its still more complex than ShB Dancer.

What makes reaper dynamic? Just curious, I've only levelled it a little so far/checked out the PVP moveset. Seems pretty straightforward.