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  1. #131
    Player
    BorealDusk's Avatar
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    Lua Djinn
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    First try, fairly easy for me once you just avoid enemies by not walking in their sight cone, which I found short. Still, I get why people would get frustrated with how little direction is given. Problem is that we're being thrown into a completely unknown scenario with specific mechanics in a map we don't know anything about and a lot of alternative routes where you can get lost, and since every street is crawling with enemies it can get tiring. For some it'll be easy, for some not. Depends on how your mind unravels the whole situation.

    Even if it's a part meant to inspire despair and hopelessness, once the mechanics become an obstacle the illusion breaks and you start feeling infuriated not by the situation in the story, but rather the videogame aspect of it. Sadly that it's this polarizing, kudos to the devs for trying new things and hope they can polish that kind of scenarios in the future. Just reserve them for very, very special occasions.

    The end of the quest was kind of strange. Scions realizing too late when Y'shtola should have known the first, then G'raha realizing, then the WoL who was crawling on the border of consciousness arrives juuust in time and everything's like "ah well body swap time out, too bad. let's not bring this up ever again". The WoL doesn't even seem that frustrated after such an agonizing experience, and everyone gets over it in a flash. Even if the tower assault takes priority, seems odd to me.
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  3. #132
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    Gameovers's Avatar
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    Shiro place
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    Character
    Server Malfunction
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeslynn View Post
    I still don't understand this part. Any key works, not just E. Pretend you're typing like some "hacker" in the movies and it's easy. Yeah, gotta drop the controller, but keyboard is easymode.
    LOL. You gotta jack in JESYLN!!!! HACK TO SAVE THE WORLD! Click clock clock clickly clicks clicked,
    (0)
    Last edited by Gameovers; 12-07-2021 at 01:26 PM.
    Hearing the crazys but I don't know why
    Seeing the maybes but I don't know who
    Hearing the crazys more and more
    Noone stop LIMSAS BEATS!

  4. #133
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    Meillquei's Avatar
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    Character
    Cillien Temperlain
    World
    Maduin
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    Oh yea I just got to this one. I wished I could have skipped it if there was an option because it upset me a lot. This was the first time I think that I had to look up a video to show me what to do. After I looked it up I still struggled with it, but managed to get through it (on normal difficulty). Keep at it and you'll eventually get it!
    (2)
    Follow the light.
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    you are the sweetest thing in here, only spreading positiv vibes around here <3

  5. #134
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    Newmanxeno's Avatar
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    Character
    Francia Alto
    World
    Seraph
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 1
    Hated this quest. Wish they would remove all the MSQ instanced stuff really. On par with fetch quests.
    (4)

  6. #135
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Character
    Wubrant Drakesbane
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 90
    When I got to this I was worried given the thread. I don't mean it as dismissive to other people's feelings but in general, in general, I quite liked the quest and felt pretty oppressed in a good way. (quest done on normal)

    I think the major flaw to the quest is, imo, a lack of subtle guidance. By that I mean in many well designed games you can see, if you look for it, color changes on footholds or lights in hallways that are designed to lead your attention in certain directions. Here everything is so black and dead that my task was mainly making a map of the area in my head rather than any sort of guidance.

    Also I think the quest could update when you find the battery before the magitek, just to help players know they're on the right path, as initially I wasn't really sure the magitek was meaningful or not until I came back to it a second time. So if the quest adjusted for example when you get to the edge of the area where you'd think is straight to broken glass (which has a red wall, so obviously you weren't mean to go that way- which is what I did initially), then the quest is like "find a different path, this is blocked" or something. Then when you get to the battery before getting to the magitek it might update with a secondary objective, first perhaps being ???, that says find a use for the magitek battery.

    Anyway like I said I don't mean to be dismissive but it wasn't so bad for me, I just thought it was rather far from where the game is normally gently, or strongly, guiding you to suddenly "figure it out or get rekt".

    I think people would faired better if the 'level' design of the area was better at subtle guiding the players in the right way, and perhaps with Fan-dan-boi taunting you in the right direction if you really go off course or are running low (maybe he does, I didn't get that low in time). With the better guidance so players head the right ways more readily you might lower the time you have in normal, as I had most of it to spare at the end- but I can easily imagine someone not if they got really lost and "wth am I supposed to be doing?" feeling.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 12-07-2021 at 01:11 PM.

  7. #136
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    lisaa's Avatar
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    Lisa Miaha
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I think my biggest complaint about this quest is that it isn't clear what you're supposed to do. I didn't realize that the fuel tank was named differently, "Fuel Containing Magitek", I thought you just had to search the magitek for the fuel and dead soldiers for the key, so I spent all my time and medkits trying to check every stash
    (6)

  8. #137
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    Powercow's Avatar
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    Windurst!
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    Character
    Powercow Cowcow
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 100
    All these people complaining about not having enough guidance on what to do... I dunno, Fandaniel, the wounded soldier, the refugee, and the bloody *MAP* should be enough.

    I liked it and hope they do more engaging storytelling and gameplay mixups in the future.
    (3)
    If someone wins an argument, they have learned nothing.

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  9. #138
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    Nethereal's Avatar
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    Character
    Deviously Enchanted
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Powercow View Post
    All these people complaining about not having enough guidance on what to do... I dunno, Fandaniel, the wounded soldier, the refugee, and the bloody *MAP* should be enough.

    I liked it and hope they do more engaging storytelling and gameplay mixups in the future.
    You know how I can tell you're not being genuine? You're not thinking about what you're typing at all it's just a reactionary response.

    The map? You're in a literal maze with invisible walls that are not indicated on the map, it's useless why even bring this up?

    The rest of the stuff you talked about Fandaniel, the wounded soldier, the refugee, all worthless.
    They have no value outside of explaining to you that you should be clicking on stuff for a chance to get a random beneficial item that may or may not be relevant to progressing the quest.

    The quest tells you to escape to town, your first instinct should be to escape to town, if you can read. The quest does not tell you, you can't escape to town, you have to figure that out on your own.
    After exploring the entire map and clicking on everything and even knowing some things could possibly be useful you can't actually transport or click on them unless you've already found the magitek and progressed the quest, FORCING you to backtrack for no reason.

    I won't go on about the rest of the quest, it's fine to like it no problems there but at least think about what it is you're responding to.
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

  10. #139
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    I think the instance would've been fine if it had just been linear instead of maze-like and requiring backtracking.

    It was really not that clear where you were supposed to be going, especially with the invisible walls railroading you into a dangerous route despite there visibly being easier exit points.
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  11. #140
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    StriderShinryu's Avatar
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    Coeurl
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    Character
    Alexalea Snowsong
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    I actually enjoyed the instance. It was definitely a bit frustrating and with some level of challenge but I didn't really see that as an issue given the intention of the scene. And honestly, if they're going to be doing these "play as not yourself" instances I would much rather they be like this and be an actual change to the standard gameplay formula. Rather than making me play a gimped version of a class just so I can "play as a character," give me an actual special reason for playing as that character. Give them something unique or interesting to do. Give them an entirely different gameplay experience instead of just "standard fight but with different buttons." I feel this instance completely executed in that regard.
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