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  1. #1
    Player
    Wyther's Avatar
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    Ashrune Wytherbrand
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    Excalibur
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    Goldsmith Lv 82
    Look at all the posts that didnt read the context.

    Didnt say that is was too difficult. If you cared to read them, it was how it was done to your character. That quest made the story line seem un needed.

    You are the warrior of light, so all the Ascians had to do it rip you out of your body and snuff you. Why all the build up with the towers then when that is all they had to do??

    People arent angry at the mechanics, theyre angry at the storyline and the way they did it.

    Learn to read
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    Jennah's Avatar
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    Jennah Arhtima
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    Ultros
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    Ninja Lv 90
    What on Etheriys are you all on about? This was, bar none, the greatest solo duty they've ever done. High stakes, an actual sense of danger, a unique situation and mechanics.
    ... admittedly, I never actually died, and might have been frustrated if it made you restart from the beginning. But, like - they tell you what to do. Avoid magitek at all costs. Never fight two soldiers at once, and avoid as many as possible. Go here, then here, then here, then here, then win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riastrad View Post
    It was simple enough to get through. However, I understand the complaints and feel as though the entirety of Garlemald was laughably weak in terms of storytelling. How many times does the same scenario need to be played out?

    It boils down to (and I'll add spoilers here)

    "We don't need your help! We don't want your supplies! But, we will try and steal them anyways! Oh, that plan failed? Better off myself!"


    These guys were the main antagonists for a decent chunk of the games narrative. Seriously? Going to just skip all of that nonsense on my alts.
    I felt the COMPLETE opposite - I haven't made it far into the 4th zone yet, but so far, I think Garlemald is the best story zone they've ever had.
    Around 20 previous allied NPCs, all acting in-character and being relevant.
    A grounded story, with fantasy taking a backseat from first reaching Camp Broken Glass up until this instance near the end.
    Actual tragedy - and it all makes sense. Unlike a certain "I will block this spear that shouldn't logically hurt the WoL, and the wound turns out to be unhealable for no explained reason" - I actually felt really bad for the NPCs.
    And it's the logical outcome of ARR!Alphinaud's diplomacy too.
    Heck, even finding out there's lyrics to the Garlean leitmotif - and what that song's about - is heartbreaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyther View Post
    Look at all the posts that didnt read the context.

    Didnt say that is was too difficult. If you cared to read them, it was how it was done to your character. That quest made the story line seem un needed.

    You are the warrior of light, so all the Ascians had to do it rip you out of your body and snuff you. Why all the build up with the towers then when that is all they had to do??

    People arent angry at the mechanics, theyre angry at the storyline and the way they did it.

    Learn to read
    It took Fandaniel an enormous amount of aether - quite possibly enough to have ruined what he attempted after the 83 dungeon. And it only got the WoL out of their body for about 30 minutes.
    And it's shown (afterwards) to be EXTREMELY likely that after that 30 minutes, we'd go right back to our real body, even if our temporary body was executed.
    And they HAVE tried this before - Fandaniel even points out when it happened, in Ala Mhigo. And that he's refined and improved the process.
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  3. #3
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    glitteringcosmos's Avatar
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    Tao Xu
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 96
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennah View Post
    What on Etheriys are you all on about? This was, bar none, the greatest solo duty they've ever done. High stakes, an actual sense of danger, a unique situation and mechanics.
    ... admittedly, I never actually died, and might have been frustrated if it made you restart from the beginning. But, like - they tell you what to do. Avoid magitek at all costs. Never fight two soldiers at once, and avoid as many as possible. Go here, then here, then here, then here, then win.

    I felt the COMPLETE opposite - I haven't made it far into the 4th zone yet, but so far, I think Garlemald is the best story zone they've ever had.
    Around 20 previous allied NPCs, all acting in-character and being relevant.
    A grounded story, with fantasy taking a backseat from first reaching Camp Broken Glass up until this instance near the end.
    Actual tragedy - and it all makes sense. Unlike a certain "I will block this spear that shouldn't logically hurt the WoL, and the wound turns out to be unhealable for no explained reason" - I actually felt really bad for the NPCs.
    And it's the logical outcome of ARR!Alphinaud's diplomacy too.
    Heck, even finding out there's lyrics to the Garlean leitmotif - and what that song's about - is heartbreaking.

    It took Fandaniel an enormous amount of aether - quite possibly enough to have ruined what he attempted after the 83 dungeon. And it only got the WoL out of their body for about 30 minutes.
    And it's shown (afterwards) to be EXTREMELY likely that after that 30 minutes, we'd go right back to our real body, even if our temporary body was executed.
    And they HAVE tried this before - Fandaniel even points out when it happened, in Ala Mhigo. And that he's refined and improved the process.
    This!!! I feel like people who disliked it for the story and calling it cheap weren't paying attention to all of the things you pointed out, especially about the strain it put on Fandaniel to do this. People are like "oh it was cheap cuz it stole your player agency and if he could do this all along why didn't he?" Because it was made abundantly clear what the consequences and costs were on Fandaniel's end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skiros View Post
    This. Garlemald arc felt like an actual mature game for once.
    Absolutely, they hit a home run with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    My dislike of it is entirely to do with the extremely contrived plot points that lead to a violation of the control over my character that left me feeling so bothered by it all. I didn't feel 'helpless' or 'desperate', I felt irritated and angry. And my ire wasn't directed at the villain characters like the writers were probably hoping, it was directed at the writers themselves for choosing to make that happen. As another said, it felt like a violation of my character, and not by the villains but by the writers.
    You were SUPPOSED to feel violated over the control of your character. That was the whole point.
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    Catwho's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Katarh Mest
    World
    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 100
    There is a reason I never really played Metal Gear Solid games and instead watched other people play through them. One of my happiest memories in college was watching a room mate go through MGSII: Sons of Liberty completely blind, and hitting the scene with Raiden where he's running around naked and the AI has gone bonkers. "I need scissors! Sixty one!"

    This quest had none of that joy. It just had the frustration without the fun.

    I'm glad they're experimenting with different types of mechanics - and I'm grateful they added an easy mode for scrubs like me that have the timing sense of a squirrel crossing the street.

    Edit: I will also say that I understand that this part as a gate keeper is partially to prevent everyone from piling into the 83 dungeon and trial too soon. They learned that lesson from Rauhban Ex, after all.
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    Ryaz's Avatar
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    Mist Ward 21, Plot 45
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    Ryaz Darksbane
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    I got it on my third try without going easy. Would have gotten it on my second if I didn't accidentally alt tab during a certain part of it. It's actually not that long or difficult as long as you stick to the shadows and alleys. Still, not the strongest of duties.
    (2)

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    Reimmi's Avatar
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    Nia Niyah
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    Was a bit frustrated with it but it was the best story telling duty they've ever done, and i hope they don't nerf it- personally
    Would go against the whole point of the duty
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    Warpstone's Avatar
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    Warpstone Slider
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    Jenova
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    Bard Lv 90
    The more I read about this the more I dread getting to this quest. It just sounds awful, I find quests that I have to play as another character very unpleasant. I usually die as fast as possible and set it on very easy, skip every cutscene to get it done fast as possible.
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    Miles064's Avatar
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    Elisandra Voras
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    I kinda liked it. If anything it showed that we are more than just really strong and blessed. We didn't get lucky and couldn't just overpower it and still made it through. Says a lot about the player being more than just raw power.
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    Xylira Mierqid
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I really, intensely disliked this part of the MSQ as well, to the point where I felt like logging out and stepping away from the game it bothered me so much. I've never felt so put off by anything in this game before as I have with this sequence in the MSQ. And it has little to do with the mechanics of it, I don't mind the 'RP missions', they're not my favorite by far but I can tolerate them. The mechanics themselves of the sequence are 'okay', but I just couldn't enjoy any of it because of the context of why it was happening, I just wanted to be over with it and have control of my character back.

    My dislike of it is entirely to do with the extremely contrived plot points that lead to a violation of the control over my character that left me feeling so bothered by it all. I didn't feel 'helpless' or 'desperate', I felt irritated and angry. And my ire wasn't directed at the villain characters like the writers were probably hoping, it was directed at the writers themselves for choosing to make that happen. As another said, it felt like a violation of my character, and not by the villains but by the writers.
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    Last edited by Xylira; 12-06-2021 at 03:34 AM.

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    Mezzoforte's Avatar
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    Shuma Gorath
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    Malboro
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    Samurai Lv 75
    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    I really, intensely disliked this part of the MSQ as well, to the point where I felt like logging out and stepping away from the game it bothered me so much. I've never felt so put off by anything in this game before as I have with this sequence in the MSQ. And it has little to do with the mechanics of it, I don't mind the 'RP missions', they're not my favorite by far but I can tolerate them. The mechanics themselves of the sequence are 'okay', but I just couldn't enjoy any of it because of the context of why it was happening, I just wanted to be over with it and have control of my character back.

    My dislike of it is entirely to do with the extremely contrived plot points that lead to a violation of the control over my character that left me feeling so bothered by it all. I didn't feel 'helpless' or 'desperate', I felt irritated and angry. And my ire wasn't directed at the villain characters like the writers were probably hoping, it was directed at the writers themselves for choosing to make that happen. As another said, it felt like a violation of my character, and not by the villains but by the writers.
    working as intended
    im guessing you spend most of your time rping on ff14?
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