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    Threads like this is why Dawntrail MSQ is an absolute borefest full of "talk to Wuk Lamat" quests and "Follow this person without getting caught". We had at least 2 BIG moments in the MSQ that should have been playable:

    The TRAIN Scene, using the turrets or fighting enemies trying to board. And the first Tuliyolal Invasion, we should have been able to roam around the city fighting enemies and protecting the people


    Instead we only got 144 "Speak to Wuk Lamat" quests because Visual Novel players cannot conceive pressing more than 2 buttons during the MSQ and cry every time the dev team creates something interesting like this solo duty, or the Thancread one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by royox View Post
    Threads like this is why Dawntrail MSQ is an absolute borefest full of "talk to Wuk Lamat" quests and "Follow this person without getting caught". We had at least 2 BIG moments in the MSQ that should have been playable:

    The TRAIN Scene, using the turrets or fighting enemies trying to board. And the first Tuliyolal Invasion, we should have been able to roam around the city fighting enemies and protecting the people


    Instead we only got 144 "Speak to Wuk Lamat" quests because Visual Novel players cannot conceive pressing more than 2 buttons during the MSQ and cry every time the dev team creates something interesting like this solo duty, or the Thancread one.
    Have to make any kind of effort to finish a solo duty? Nooo let the duty automatically finish itself please I hate it.

    In from the Cold was my favorite solo duty but they gutted it apparently cause too hard, not enough handholding. Please Yoshi P.

    I'm not surprised that DT has more of the sleeper objectives, EW had alot of 'escort this' 'walk there', truly putting the walk in Endwalker...
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    Quote Originally Posted by royox View Post
    Threads like this is why Dawntrail MSQ is an absolute borefest full of "talk to Wuk Lamat" quests and "Follow this person without getting caught".
    I doubt that Dawntrail’s low number of solo duties is the result of this thread, especially since one of the four solo duties we did get was still one that didn’t let us play our character’s job. Endwalker’s MSQ without patch content has five solo duties—only one more than we got in Dawntrail—so this problem isn’t even new. To me, Dawntrail and Endwalker feel similarly dead in terms of gameplay. But Dawntrail is longer than Endwalker, so the combat segments have longer stretches of cutscene/dialogue/walking time in-between them, and Dawntrail’s story is less well-liked than Endwalker’s, so people are noticing the lackluster gameplay experience more because they’re not engrossed in the story.

    In any case “almost all gameplay outside of walking and clicking through dialogue should be cut from future expansions’ MSQ” would not have been a reasonable takeaway from reading a thread in which people are saying “I didn’t enjoy this one specific solo duty (which has a misleading objective, three buttons for your character, no automatic HP regen, ‘stealth’ in a game that generally isn’t built with stealth gameplay in mind, and a very slow gameplay experience overall)”.
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    Last edited by ConantSivrha; 08-10-2024 at 04:34 PM. Reason: A correction: I misremembered the number of actions your character has in this duty. It is three, not five.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royox View Post
    Threads like this is why Dawntrail MSQ is an absolute borefest full of "talk to Wuk Lamat" quests and "Follow this person without getting caught". We had at least 2 BIG moments in the MSQ that should have been playable:

    The TRAIN Scene, using the turrets or fighting enemies trying to board. And the first Tuliyolal Invasion, we should have been able to roam around the city fighting enemies and protecting the people


    Instead we only got 144 "Speak to Wuk Lamat" quests because Visual Novel players cannot conceive pressing more than 2 buttons during the MSQ and cry every time the dev team creates something interesting like this solo duty, or the Thancread one.
    I’m with you that we should’ve had solo duties on those spoilered parts. Those are the kind I would have actually enjoyed! Of course, I’m sure if they had, someone would’ve complained that it wasn’t anything new or original, because:
    with the exception of the turrets, we already had a train battle with the Phantom Train.

    I still think it would’ve been really fun!

    But I dislike being forced to play as someone else. It’s annoying, and if we’re talking about immersion, it definitely breaks it. At least the one this post is referring to, you’re playing as “yourself,” just in really bad circumstances. I give the Thancred one points for creativity, but I want to play as my own character.

    And I hate stealth missions in general… we had at least 5 “follow without being seen” quests between the DT MSQ, role quests and side quests I’ve done so far. Just not the type of gameplay I enjoy, but beyond that, it’s just annoying. Even with them making the markers ridiculously large, I could still be standing behind a tree, totally not in line of sight, and still be caught and have to redo it all over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra View Post

    But I dislike being forced to play as someone else. It’s annoying, and if we’re talking about immersion, it definitely breaks it. At least the one this post is referring to, you’re playing as “yourself,” just in really bad circumstances. I give the Thancred one points for creativity, but I want to play as my own character.

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    Personally I like those quests. It makes me feel more connected to other characters besides the WoL using gameplay and not only cinematics where everybody is standing in a circle emoting one by one (one of them usually closing the fist very very hard). I never understood this immersion breaking argument, this is a videogame and I prefer playing parts, even if I have to control other characters, than have Thancread calling using Linkshell "ey friend, I already infiltrated the Garlean camp". I love the gameplay part of playing games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by royox View Post
    Personally I like those quests. It makes me feel more connected to other characters besides the WoL using gameplay and not only cinematics where everybody is standing in a circle emoting one by one (one of them usually closing the fist very very hard). I never understood this immersion breaking argument, this is a videogame and I prefer playing parts, even if I have to control other characters, than have Thancread calling using Linkshell "ey friend, I already infiltrated the Garlean camp". I love the gameplay part of playing games.
    I guess I agree that action of some kind is better than just a cutscene or a linkshell call… Thancred is the stealth expert, but maybe our character could’ve gone along to create a diversion or few to make his objective easier.

    It’s just a personal preference really… every other FF game you’re controlling someone else, but in the MMOs, you get to be your own custom character, and I’ve grown to prefer that.
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    Watch a YouTube video and switch difficulty after failing to easy and you will clear just fine no need to quit over something easy to figure out with some tweaks trust me this isn't bad it's prepping you for later gameplay lol plus they give you some tips to help and heal packs
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